Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9859 invoked from network); 22 May 2002 11:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 22 May 2002 11:19:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 18011 invoked from network); 22 May 2002 11:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 May 2002 11:19:21 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17AU5u-0008LV-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 May 2002 12:15:50 +0100 Received: from mta4-svc.business.ntl.com ([62.253.164.44]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17AU5t-0008LQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 May 2002 12:15:49 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.228.255]) by mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020522111546.DLCZ29003.mta4-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 12:15:46 +0100 Message-ID: <002a01c20182$2a045b20$ffe4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c1ff5b$456a8480$8ce4fc3e@l8p8y6> <005601c1ff7d$fb579360$5ab51bca@xtr743187> Subject: LF: Re: Re: pegelmesser Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 12:03:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Vernall
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 10:40 PM
Subject: LF: Re: pegelmesser

Mal,
 
The frequency stability of any selective level meter with a VFO for a local oscillator makes them suspect for staying tuned within a fraction of a Hz for long periods.  The digital display on a Siemens D2019 I have merely counts the VFO (with a constant 100 kHz offset to give passband centre frequency) and numbers actually change with VFO warmup.  The display is to 10 Hz, so it can not be used for pre-setting to a QRSS signal that is expected to be below the noise and therefore impractical to try tuning by "ear".  As well, the BFO is a free-running RC oscillator so the recovered audio can have further drift of centre frequency.
 
There are some selective level meters with master oscillator arrangements for tuning and demodulation, and can have fractional Hz stability.
 
In saying the obvious, selective level meters are primarily intended for determining signal levels.
 
Hello Bob
 
Look for a pegelmesser with phased locked loop oscillators, synthisized etc the same as mine and you will find they make a great LF receiver, especially the models with the 20 hz filters.
Even the free running osc type are useful if kept switched on all the time and inside the house with a fairly constant temperature and not outside in the bicycle shed!!
 I do not have any trouble resolving and keeping signals within the 20 hz bandwidth for hours at a time. I especially like the W&G SPM-12, with the 10 khz IF output. I built an external product det, audio stage and it works extremely well,  very sensitive and the filters are well suited to LF work.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
 
Bob ZL2CA