Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8828 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2002 22:42:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Apr 2002 22:42:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 3187 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2002 22:42:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Apr 2002 22:42:08 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16v5hJ-00016a-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 01:10:49 +0100 Received: from mail6.mx.voyager.net ([216.93.66.205]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16v5hI-00016V-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 10 Apr 2002 01:10:48 +0100 Received: from k6500 (d19.ias0.mpls.mn.pclink.com [206.11.3.218]) by mail6.mx.voyager.net (8.11.6/8.10.2) with SMTP id g39MVwn77977 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 18:31:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "WE0H" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: Ground loss diffferences between loops and verticals Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:33:26 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <003401c1dfe0$3ce39260$6e01a8c0@cianciolo> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Get that bottom run at least 5' up from the ground and it will work much better. Do you have any trees to string the #12 wire in??? I have a LF loop with the top run at 60 to 70'. The bottom run is adjustable for testing purposes. It is strung over two big trees per Bill Ashlock's advise. I call it my Ashlock loop. 73's, Mike>WE0H http://www.geocities.com/we0h/lf.html -----Original Message----- From: majordom@post.thorcom.com [mailto:majordom@post.thorcom.com]On Behalf Of PC Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:05 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Ground loss diffferences between loops and verticals Hello Jim and the group, Thanks for responding! I will read your email again beacause it addresses exactly what I was looking for as far as the ground questions are concerned. As far as the performance of my antenna it seem in this as in many other things I am always looking for a complex answer and continue to overlook the obvious. This loop is located about 6 feet away from the 130 tower with its 18 guy wires. Bill Ashlock (WA) along with others pointed out the tower and its massive array of guy wires would have very detrimental effect on the pattern, "Q", feedpoint impedance, etc. So I took down the antenna which again weighs 60 lbs and put up a #12 AWG wire in its place. Much more managable. Same location, even higherfeedpoint impedance as I expected and a lot less capacitance to resonate, also expected. Next step was move the antenna away from the tower by 25 feet. This made a big difference. To achieve resonance I had to add more capacitance and I had to add 2 turns to the primary of the matching transformer indicating lower feedpoint impedance. So tonight I will move it even farther away and get the feed poit above the ground, it is only 6" high right now. Lesson learned..... Do not overlook the obvious!!! Thank again Jim. snipped much text...