Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2411 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2002 16:06:07 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Apr 2002 16:06:07 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 24174 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2002 16:06:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Apr 2002 16:06:16 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16s5od-0001Mp-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2002 18:41:59 +0100 Received: from mail4.messagelabs.com ([212.125.75.12]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16s5ob-0001Mk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2002 18:41:58 +0100 X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 23132 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2002 16:03:45 -0000 Received: from merimac.us.gases.boc.com (HELO merimac) (204.149.80.4) by server-16.tower-4.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2002 16:03:45 -0000 Received: by EXC_WIL04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:11:13 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Ashlock,William" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Copper pipe loop success Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:54:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi All, Late yesterday I re-installed the 200ft of 1/2" copper pipe in my std 50'/50' loop location. The pipe had been laying on the ground in the back woods for about 6 weeks while experiments with other loop conductors were going on. During this time I had begun doubting the accuracy of my measurements with this conductor some time ago, that, according to my notes, had an Rac of less than 0.5ohm. Just before removing the RG-8 conductor I measured the Rac at 0.82 ohms. It had rained 2 days before so the ground was still a bit damp, so this reading was probably high by about 0.05 ohms compared to a 'dry' condition. Another factor is that I am using the transmitter INPUT power of 1w to make the Rac calculation and this fails to account for the loss in transistors, resonant capacitors, and output transformer. I will re-calculate this later based on the actual output power and this will reduce all Rac measurements by ~7%. The installation of the pipe was actually easier than anticipated. I used the RG-8 to pull a #8 wire over the top and then the #8 to pull over the pipe (which is quite compliant). The pipe is composed of twenty 10ft sections all soldered together and the total weight is 40lbs. This is standard thinwall house plumbing pipe at $3.15 per section at Home Depot. The OD is .63" and the wall thickness is 0.03. No support ropes are needed since the trees totally support the pipe. I was surprised, and relieved to find the Rac measured 0.49 ohm! After an all night rain I see the input current is down by about 8% and I will recalculate the Rac tonight. BTW this is ~185kHz. I have calculated the Rac for the following conductors using the .0062" skin depth, using 0.2 ohms for soil loss, and nothing included for tree loss: (and yes, Mal, the actual measurements Do check out pretty close :-) 1) #12 1.31ohms 2) #8 1.13 ohms 3) RG-8 0.82 ohms 4) 1/2" Cu pipe 0.49 ohms Next - on to multiple Litz conductors! Bill A ********************************************************************* This footnote confirms that this e-mail message has been scanned for the presence of known computer viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre. However, it is still recommended that you use local virus scanning software to monitor for the presence of viruses. *********************************************************************