Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3001 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 23:52:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 23:52:34 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 20746 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2002 23:52:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Apr 2002 23:52:36 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16teqk-0005Ik-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Apr 2002 02:18:38 +0100 Received: from mailout05.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.82]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16teqj-0005If-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 06 Apr 2002 02:18:37 +0100 Received: from fwd10.sul.t-online.de by mailout05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16tdIC-0007MD-01; Sat, 06 Apr 2002 01:38:52 +0200 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.227.109.46]) by fwd10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16tdIB-16OE9QC; Sat, 6 Apr 2002 01:38:51 +0200 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020403155037.00acdf78@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20020403155037.00acdf78@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <3.0.1.16.20020405160954.2c2fc068@pb623250.kuleuven.be> Subject: Re: LF: still more loop inductance formulas X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 01:38:51 +0200 Message-ID: <16tdIB-16OE9QC@fwd10.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Rik Strobbe schrieb: > First of all my appologies to those getting bored with my loop inductance > formulas. > But after some 'playing' with simulation software and calcuations it turned > out that there might be a more accurate and simpler formula to calculate > the inductance of a big loop : > > L = 0.8*B*(ln(A/d)+6.82) > where L = loop inductance in uH, A = loop height in m, B = loop length in m > and d = wire diamater in mm > > At first sight there seems no (practical) limits to the A/B ratio. > > If this formula is correct it would also mean that (for a given height) the > loop inductance increase linear with the loop length. > > 73 from a sunny Belgium (sunny and 22°C ... instead of the rain, wind and > 10°C we usually have begin april) > > Rik ON7YD > > Hi Rik, dimensions of my loop-ant: A = 12m, B = 65m, d = 4mm; 2 turns, space 80mm (2m above ground). I tried ur formular inserting the wirepitch somehow as multipl, as div, as log or ln. but the result was vy far away from the measured one (720uH). any idea ? regards Uwe/dj8wx