Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12881 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2002 21:56:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Apr 2002 21:56:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 20523 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2002 21:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Apr 2002 21:55:52 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16uLyl-0002V8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 00:21:47 +0100 Received: from carbon.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.92] helo=carbon) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16uLyk-0002V3-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 08 Apr 2002 00:21:46 +0100 Received: from host213-1-197-118.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.1.197.118] helo=default) by carbon with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16uKRp-0005fL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Apr 2002 22:43:42 +0100 Message-ID: <004a01c1de7d$48815bc0$76c501d5@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Subject: LF: Giulio re Horzontal wires Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 21:17:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Giulio, I think you are right that a lot of the amateur stations with big signals often have a substantial amount of horizontal wire. However I dont think the big night-time signal is due to horizontal polarization or radiation from the horizontal wire. The night-time signals over a path distance of 1500 to 2000kms are often 20 to 30 dB higher than the signal levels in daytime (see the average line on my propagation plots). This is probably due to a higher 'reflection' level and less absorption at night. The higher night-time level is even evident with commercial stations whose radiators are predominantly vertical. The other more important effect of horizontal wire is demonstrated in some of the measurements that I described on my web site, and is the consequent reduction of ground loss that extensive horizontal wire gives. Few amateurs can afford to install the kind of ground systems that are used by commercial stations, so this reduction of loss by increasing the top-load is valuable. I have some further meaurements from Finbar EI0CF that I have not had time to include yet on the site. These detail additions to the top-load of his main vertical, and the resultant reduction in loss, measured with an RF bridge. Reino has been heard in the UK in daytime and occasionally with the distinct signs of fading, so his signal is received by ionspheric 'reflection' even in daytime. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk