Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1507 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2002 14:40:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Apr 2002 14:40:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 16217 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2002 09:16:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Apr 2002 09:16:48 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 172VFX-0002LQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 11:52:47 +0100 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.215]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 172VFW-0002LL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 11:52:46 +0100 Received: from modem-116.belegaer.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.137.116] helo=g3aqc) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 172Tia-0007pL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:14:41 +0100 Message-ID: <002801c1f027$c5711d80$05e9fea9@g3aqc> From: "Laurie Mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re. Its up-no its down etc. Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:15:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi John, I think the results you describe are reasonably consistant with the facts as you describe them,although the increase in signal as reported by Dave and I is perhaps a bit ambitious. Increasing the height of the antenna from 20 to 55 feet would mean an increase in Rres of x7.6 and hence a similar increase in Pwr radiated.(r prop.to h squared.). However the fact that only part of the ant.is at 55feet means that the inc.in height is not 2.75 times but rather less say times 2 (guess.but based on some experiments carried out here). This would result in an increase of 4 in pwr.radiated if it were not for the effect of the close proximity of the trees to the new wire, which will absorb power (The increase in R loss confirms the effect of the trees.which are a lossy capacitor.) So I guess that our reports were a bit ambitious, but it does look like there is a very good trade off between inreased height ( R prop. to h squared) and loss. So keep on trying!. Regarding the loading coil capacitance try putting a grounded screen between the coil and ground(but not too close to the coil) this certainly works for me. Elevated coils will work where the vert wire. is close to the trees but in your case this is not so likely to be effective. Hope this helps. 73s Laurie.