Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29136 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2002 17:37:15 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Mar 2002 17:37:15 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 20708 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2002 17:37:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Mar 2002 17:37:06 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16n2YF-0007Fx-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:12:11 +0000 Received: from mail4.messagelabs.com ([212.125.75.12]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16n2YE-0007Fs-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:12:10 +0000 X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 21794 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2002 17:33:57 -0000 Received: from merimac.us.gases.boc.com (HELO merimac) (204.149.80.4) by server-3.tower-4.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2002 17:33:57 -0000 Received: by EXC_WIL04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:41:19 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Ashlock,William" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: TX Loop antenna conductors Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:25:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi John, I did a lot of reading about proximity effect in a number of old college text books of mine yesterday (who woulda thunk that this boring stuff would come in handy some day?). The new numbers I calculated are closer to yours than my 3/5. >I find the usual formula for the ratio of Rac/Rdc = d*sqrt(mu*f/rho) very unsatisfactory for >small diameters, since as d gets smaller the ratio cannot get less than 1. The same is true for >low values of frequency. Instead I use a couple of series approximations to the Bessel >functions. So I checked your figures and found for AWG #12 at 185kHz, a ratio of 3.6 and for #8 >a ratio of >5.56, quite close but slightly higher than your figures. >The point you made is of course why it is better to use properly made Litz wire to keep the >advantage of thicker wire. Right. I'm still pondering what the spacing should be between two #12 Litz wires to keep the proximity effect to <10%. I'm calculating something like 0.12" but this is much closer than originally thought. Does your math handle this? Thanks, Bill A ********************************************************************* This footnote confirms that this e-mail message has been scanned for the presence of known computer viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre. However, it is still recommended that you use local virus scanning software to monitor for the presence of viruses. *********************************************************************