Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23205 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 18:03:27 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 18:03:27 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 23564 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 18:03:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 18:03:26 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16kVZL-0003Fh-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:34:51 +0000 Received: from mail4.messagelabs.com ([212.125.75.12]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16kVZK-0003Fc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:34:50 +0000 X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 9855 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 17:56:46 -0000 Received: from merimac.us.gases.boc.com (HELO merimac) (204.149.80.4) by server-2.tower-4.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 17:56:46 -0000 Received: by EXC_WIL04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:04:31 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Ashlock,William" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: RE: Re: loops Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:48:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Rick, You are absolutely correct with your 3db increase for a doubling of the area. I didn't account for the doubling of the Rac in the conductor. The loss ground loss may increase in proportion to the width of the loop but this factor is included in the measured Rac for the smaller loop and therefore the loop size doubling would be close to a 3db gain. Bill A -----Original Message----- From: Rik Strobbe [mailto:rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.ac.be] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:35 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: RE: Re: loops Hello Bill, >>So based on that a 10m high and 100m long loop should perform as well 32m >>high square loop. Doubling the length of a long&low loop should increase >>the radiation resistance by 4 and the loss resistance by 2, resulting in an >>overal gain of 2 (= 3dB). Does the above fit with your math ? > >I'm with you except that a gain of 2 would translate to a 6db increase. Quadrupling the radiation resistance will give a 6dB gain. But at the same time the loss resistance is also doubled, what will inflict a 3dB loss. So overall gain is 'only' 3dB. Eg : Assume you gave a loop with a radiation resistance of 1 milli-Ohm and a loss of 5 Ohm. Putting 400 W into this loop will result in 8.94 A loop current, the radiated power will be 80 mW (ignoring loop gain for simplicity). Doublong the loop length will increase the radiation resistance to 4 milli-Ohm and the loss resistance to 10 Ohm. With 400 W th loop current will now be 6.32 A and the radiated power will be 160mW. This is a 3dB increase. The above assumes (simplifies) that the only losses will be 'copper loss'. 73, Rik ON7YD ********************************************************************* This footnote confirms that this e-mail message has been scanned for the presence of known computer viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre. However, it is still recommended that you use local virus scanning software to monitor for the presence of viruses. ********************************************************************* ********************************************************************* This footnote confirms that this e-mail message has been scanned for the presence of known computer viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre. However, it is still recommended that you use local virus scanning software to monitor for the presence of viruses. *********************************************************************