Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8986 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2002 18:27:21 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Mar 2002 18:27:21 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 17882 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2002 18:27:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Mar 2002 18:27:19 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16jQYr-0003Gr-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 20:01:53 +0000 Received: from mail4.messagelabs.com ([212.125.75.12]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16jQYq-0003Gm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 20:01:52 +0000 X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 17803 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2002 18:23:49 -0000 Received: from merimac.us.gases.boc.com (HELO merimac) (204.149.80.4) by server-16.tower-4.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2002 18:23:49 -0000 Received: by EXC_WIL04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:31:43 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Ashlock,William" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: RE: Re: loops Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:15:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Rik, >What really looks interesting for a loop installation, according to the >math, is the effective power gain that can be achieved by stretching the >horizontal dimension. On my property I can make this 350ft (if it were >legal) because of this strange narrow "L" shape out back in the woods. The >effective power, then, increases 50x! Tried this for an hour at very low >power (don't tell the FCC), and it works! >What math do you use ? I'm using the equations out of the ARRL Antenna Book. >I dug up a formula for small loops (I suppose any ham-sized loop is 'small' >at 2.2km / 1.33mi wavelength) : >R = 320*Pi^4*A^2/L^4 , where R = radiation resistance in Ohm, A = loop area >and L = wavelength. >So based on that a 10m high and 100m long loop should perform as well 32m >high square loop. Doubling the length of a long&low loop should increase >the radiation resistance by 4 and the loss resistance by 2, resulting in an >overal gain of 2 (= 3dB). Does the above fit with your math ? I'm with you except that a gain of 2 would translate to a 6db increase. >I like the idea of an L-shaped loop ( I suppose you mean lazy-L, so the >loop is not straight in the vertical plane) as I presume that this will >reduce the sharp nulls in the radiation pattern. The "L" is the shape of my lot. The loop would be only across the 370ft (stright-line) portion. I don't think you can reduce the null in any way. A loop is a loop; can't modify the shape without reducing the field. >>My first TX loop article just appeared in the US Longwave Club's 'Lowdown' >>publication. The second is to follow next month. >Sounds interesting, is it available on the web? Not sure. Try the Crawley Club sight. If not there, I'll send you a copy. Bill A ********************************************************************* This footnote confirms that this e-mail message has been scanned for the presence of known computer viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre. However, it is still recommended that you use local virus scanning software to monitor for the presence of viruses. *********************************************************************