Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8174 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2002 19:27:02 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Mar 2002 19:27:02 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 11131 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2002 19:27:02 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Mar 2002 19:27:02 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16hzYo-0006zh-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 20:59:54 +0000 Received: from mail4.messagelabs.com ([212.125.75.12]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16hzYn-0006zc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 20:59:53 +0000 X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 27289 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2002 19:21:49 -0000 Received: from merimac.us.gases.boc.com (HELO merimac) (204.149.80.4) by server-4.tower-4.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 4 Mar 2002 19:21:49 -0000 Received: by EXC_WIL04 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:29:35 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Ashlock,William" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: loops Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:13:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Mal, I experimented with multiturn 50'x50' vertical TX loops on 185k a couple of years ago and remember the net gain in the far field signal was much less than anticipated. Turned out that the additional wires were better-off connected in parallel. I think the reason is that the soil loss begins to dominate when turns are added to a loop this size. I'll get out my notes on these experiments, tonight, and get back to you. Regards, Bill Ashlock >Has anyone ever tried a large multi turn loop that resonates directly on >a LF of interest. Most amateurs cannot get a full size one wavelength >loop installed for 160 metres but a 40 metre loop is manageable, so >instead of a 1 turn loop on this freq make it 4 turns plus or minus to >get it to resonate on 160 metres. ie just a large diameter resonant 160m >coil used as an antenna. This principle could be used on 136 khz for >instance, the same 40 m dimensions but with as many turns as nessary to >resonate it on the lower freq of interest. >There will be practical differences and it will probably not work out at >x N turns because of capacitance etc, but the approach to achieve >resonance is the criteria on the lower freqs. >When I say large loop I mean some thing like 40 m and nothing too large, >but sufficient size to have a chance of working and keep the Q >reasonable. The loop would be hanging vertically and the bottom wire at >least 6 feet(2m) off the ground. >73 de Mal/G3KEV ********************************************************************* This footnote confirms that this e-mail message has been scanned for the presence of known computer viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre. However, it is still recommended that you use local virus scanning software to monitor for the presence of viruses. *********************************************************************