Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8823 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2002 20:07:53 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Mar 2002 20:07:53 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 21753 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2002 20:07:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Mar 2002 20:07:51 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16jS2K-0003UG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 21:36:24 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16jS2J-0003UB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 21:36:23 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16jQVR-0002Nq-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 19:58:21 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16jQVP-0000DO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 19:58:20 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020308191310.02953708@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 19:54:26 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: Re: LF: loop In-reply-to: <3C890521.11CD9484@netscapeonline.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear Mal, LF Group, At 18:38 08/03/2002 +0000, you wrote: >...This first observation puts some doubt on some previous tests on Decca >sites with a small vertical in the vicinity of a large ground radial >system, where the small vertical was supposed to radiate better than the >main antenna... Actually, included in the the conclusions of the experiments I did at the Puckeridge Decca site was that the main Decca antenna was about 160 times more efficient as a radiator than the small vertical. I was putting less than 1W into the Decca mast, and about 300W into the small antenna; the levels had been calculated to produce the same radiated signals from both antennas, but the small antenna proved to be slightly more efficient than calculated, and the Decca mast slightly less efficient. So the signal strength from the small antenna was slightly higher. But the point was that the difference in signal strength was the same irrespective of the distance or direction over which it was received - effectively showing that both antennas had much the same radiation pattern. Incidentally, on receive, it was almost impossible to tell the difference between either antenna. There was no detectable interaction between the two antennas - I had arranged things so that the antenna not in use was de-tuned. I also tried transmitting into the small antenna while the big antenna was resonated, but the current in the big antenna was only a few mA even then, so there probably would not have been significant interaction even without de-tuning. However, the two antennas were 120m (ie 400feet) apart. Part of the reason for this was so that the small antenna would be off the Decca antenna ground system - it had it's own grounding consisting of 4 rods. With Mal's 50ft spacing, greater interaction would be expected - especially since in Mal's case, the dimensions of both the antennas are of the same order as the spacing between them. You can easily de-tune the antenna by shorting or open-circuiting the loading coils. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU