Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25615 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 18:29:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 18:29:41 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 18453 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2002 18:29:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Mar 2002 18:29:43 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ksRy-0006Uz-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:00:46 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16ksRx-0006Uu-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:00:45 +0000 Received: from ldsas14-78-129-72.cw-visp.com ([212.137.129.72] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16kqjC-00075S-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:10:27 +0000 Message-ID: <3C8E3629.6A23AB12@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:08:57 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: loop/update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This particular loop is now hoisted into its final position between 2 high beech trees, a convenient place. Top horizontal totally in the clear, bottom horiz 6 ft above ground, each vertical leg about 10 feet or more clear of tree trunks and branches. Loop is symetrical and rectangular 124 ft horiz x 40 ft vert, area = 4960 sq ft. Inductance measured = 173 uH Resonant F measured = 3065 khz DC resistance of loop wire plus coax feed 1.5 ohms. Loop wire 2.5 mm insulated. Feed 75 ohm coax, about 150 ft long, loop feed point, bottom right hand corner. Loop resonated on 136 khz, parallel configuration 1502 pf needed. Gain measured at receiver without antenna and antenna connected = 30 db approx. Gain difference measured on 136 khz between nonresonated loop and resonated indicates 10 db advantage by resonating. All gain figures relative using LEVEL METER W & G SPM-12. and spectrum analyzer. The spm-12 has an IF output at 10 khz. I built an ext product det/audio stage. Selectivity on this model 1.74 khz, 500 hz and 25 hz, all filters installed. This device makes a fantastic LF receiver. Considering the big signals around on LF there is no evidence of breakthrough. Using resonant hi-Q antennas overcomes a possible problem but as a precaution a front end filter could be useful. This loop now resonant on 136 khz is performing better than I expected on receive, but what it will do on TX could be a different matter. I also have to try and series resonate it and see what happens. Next step is to calculate/measure the loop impedance and make a suitable transformer to match my rx 75 ohm input, but so far even with a mismatch I am suitably impressed. It is now as good as the vertical on receive but bi-directional unfortunately, I suppose I need two of these at right angles to suit all occassions. At present ON6ND, ON4ZK are booming in and G6RO is also about, all calling CQ and it appears they are not hearing each other, maybe they need a LOOP !! 73 de Mal/G3KEV