Return-Path: Received: (qmail 79 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 18:48:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 18:48:07 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 5309 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2002 18:48:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 18:48:05 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16kWJ6-0003OK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:22:08 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16kWJ5-0003OF-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:22:07 +0000 Received: from ldsas14-78-129-151.cw-visp.com ([212.137.129.151] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16kUaO-0006SL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:31:53 +0000 Message-ID: <3C8CF2E4.1D628CCC@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:09:40 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: bows/cats Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: There are numerous ways to get a wire over a tree and its interesting to hear so many viewpoints. I dont have any problems with a catapult and fishing line to get over 60 - 80 ft trees, in fact the line not only goes over the tree but often goes way beyond the tree by 50 ft, and not difficult ot spot the line and weight. A catapult and fishing line are easy to obtain, whereas a strong 100- 200 lb bow is hard to find and no doubt expensive for the odd job, hardly cost effective. A crossbow at 300 lbs would be the answer with the appropriate heavy ended arrow, this would take a line well over the big oregon pine at 200 ft high, but you have to be strong otherwise you would be incapable of pulling the bow string to load the arrow. The cannon approach is the best option and let the gunpowder do all the work, the biggest effort for the user is digging out the cannon ball at the other end. There seems to be plenty of feedback about methods of getting ropes over trees but little technical knowledge about large loops, feed methods and performance, apart from contributions from the USA. Plenty of back end DC engineers, digital and psk but RF engineers thin on the ground. de Mal/G3KEV