Return-Path: Received: (qmail 784 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2002 17:13:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Mar 2002 17:13:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 24689 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2002 17:13:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Mar 2002 17:13:48 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16j2rl-0007qy-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 18:43:49 +0000 Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.43]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16j2rk-0007qt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 18:43:48 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([213.104.104.254]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020307170540.OIBG305.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@oemcomputer> for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:05:40 +0000 Message-ID: <004e01c1c5fa$91775fa0$2f6068d5@oemcomputer> From: "mike.dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000801c1c5f3$1fd8a0e0$1700a8c0@home> Subject: LF: Re: loops Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:07:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I used a loop on the 73kHz band in the early days and had some interesting results. The currents were very high - several amps for the same power that delivered a few tens of mA into a same-sized vertical. The main disadvantage of the loop was its directivity which is quite pronounced, even with the lower part very close to the ground. This may be an advantage for a point-to-point path, such as transatlantic and may result in lower noise. GW4ALG used a loop and a vertical, and the vertical usually outperformed the loop. He used the loop when it was not convenient to put up the temporary vertical. Another interesting fact was that signals from those using loops had more fading at a closer distance than from those using verticals. This suggests that the angle of radiation was higher. Perhaps an area for experimentation. My matching method was to tune the loop with two (groups of) capacitors in series, used as a potential (and hence impedance) divider. I was feeding the antenna with a 3ohm source at the time. A loop's independance from earth is a very attractive feature, but everyone I know who has used one has eventually agreed that Guglielmo Marconi got it right! Mike, G3XDV ==========