Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25316 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 13:28:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 13:28:54 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 11091 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 13:28:57 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 13:28:57 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bLtA-0007HI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:25:28 +0000 Received: from bob.dera.gov.uk ([192.5.29.90]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bLt9-0007HD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:25:27 +0000 Received: by bob.dera.gov.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id NAA24496; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:34:57 GMT Received: (qmail 14840 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 14:12:11 -0000 Received: from gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk (192.168.9.10) by baton.dstl.gov.uk with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 14:12:11 -0000 Received: by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk; id NAA21693; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:39:17 GMT Received: from unknown(172.17.128.171) by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk via smap (3.2) id xma021679; Thu, 14 Feb 02 13:38:52 GMT Received: from FRN-MAIL-R3.dstl.gov.uk (unverified) by mailguard.dstl.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:31:43 +0000 Received: by frn-mail-r3.dstl.gov.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <166TGCDW>; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:24:01 -0000 Message-ID: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803DCB99C0@pdw-mail-r1.dstl.gov.uk> From: "Talbot Andrew" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: RE: GPS Locked PSK Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:23:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: A difficult one, if you are after software that automatically decodes the message. But the beauty of GPS locked signalling is that the need for carrier and clock recovery has been removed. Provided the transmitted frequency is known exactly and the timing intervals are also known - with GPS locking both of course are very precisely defined - then a straightforward off-air phase plot, after filtering to a narrow bandwidth is all that is needed to 'see' phase modulated transmissions. Wolf DL4YHF is adding a vectorscope and time / phase plot to Spectrum lab and I believe the first versions may be available for testers, so for a simple fully coherent session you could just set that to its narrowest setting (after calibrating your soundcard oscillator and real time clock !) and plot out the received phase of a transmission over a period of an hour or so and look at the pattern you get. One of the options I have built into my GPS locked DDS driver software is CW coding so that a message can be read visually from a time / phase plot. This technique does not have the advantage of a proper coherent integration over a symbol period, but will still give many of the S/N advantages of coherent reception in the decimated bandwidth. Alteratively, you could try this : Build a divider with 2 quadrature outputs to get a 90 degree shifted pair of very accurate audio frequency tones, say 1kHz, from your locked source; a PIC could probably do this very well. Apply this to the LO port of a pair of mixers that will work at audio, such as the ubiquitous MC1496. Connect your receiver producing a tone at exactly the same frequency to both mixer signal inputs. Low pass filter the outputs to some low value - well below 1Hz. Initially just connect the two outputs which are now an analogue complex representation of the received signal in a narrow bandwidth to a scope in X/Y mode. Voila - a vectorscope for narrow bandwidth reception with no software in sight. It is difficult to get the actual phase without calculating it in real time using teh arctan function from the I/Q voltages, but plotting either I or Q as appropriate on some sort of chart recorder arrangement will show 180 degree changes. I find it very sad that there is so much reliance these days on Soundcards with their inherent inaccuracies and difficulty in producing driving software. Any other interface, from the simple external A/D on the serial port, right up to a separate DSP card, allows the entire system to be locked to one reference and removes a substantial amount of the processing overhead. The serial port A/D is so straightforward to build and programme for, that I'm truly amazed a lot more use is not made of it ! The VE2IQ PSK software will still run satisfactorily on a 10MHz 286 machine, whereas most of the latest Soundcard software needs a Pentium machine. Is there a reluctance to build extra hardware these days ? But I supppose that anyone who doesn't use the Windoze operting system now is behind the times and "Not with it!". An attitude seen more and more these days until the advantage of simple software performing real time decoding is demonstrated to them. Andy G4JNT -----Original Message----- From: Paul A. Cianciolo [mailto:paulc@snet.net] Sent: 14 February 2002 11:37 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: GPS Locked PSK >There a few of us here in the states with GPS locked systems. >The references have been becoming more and more available. >My system is locked to GPS. The question is however is there any >software avaiable to take advantage of the system you are using. >I would really like to try and hear you or others transmitting this mode and >I have all the hardware to do it, >but lack the software. >Any idea's -- The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). 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