Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16299 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 09:05:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 09:05:34 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 29256 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 09:05:35 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 09:05:35 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bHkG-0006YF-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:00:00 +0000 Received: from siaag1ac.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.5]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bHkF-0006Y8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:59:59 +0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag1ac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id DAA08944 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 03:58:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 03:58:24 -0500 From: "Holger 'Geri' Kinzel, DK8KW" Subject: LF: Re: HELL Tests on 137.400 kHz To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <200202140358_MC3-F1F6-F64D@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello Dave, >I just had a play with the IZ8BLY program and it looks to me like the FM >Hell 105 Baud is the only one that would be useable on a crowded band. The >rest of them seem to fill half the band with sidebands..... >I would be very interested to see which one proves most effective though. >I'll look out for you in Hell, but which one??< ... I am not so sure about the bandwidth. Of what I have seen, the bandwidth of each sideband of the standard FELDHELL (using an on/off keying of one single frequency with 122.5 Bd) is around 62 Hz, so the total bandwidth should be around 125 Hz, centering this on 137.400 Hz I do not think that there is a considerable QRM on either side of the signal, neither in the CW segment nor in the QRSS section of the band. I know that standard FELDHELL is not the optimum for LF but I would like to test this first, as a kind of "reference", before going to other HELL modes. The main reason I like to use FELDHELL first is because this is the original HELL mode that was developed some 70 years ago and is the father of all FAX and RTTY systems. If you have a look in IZ8BLY's program, you will find a menu "Meteor Scatter" (under "Transmit Options I believe". Here you can choose "1/8 speed" which should give us a bandwidth of only 30 Hz or so. This migh be suitable for LF operations under noisy conditions (probably). Also the PSK Hell based on phase shif keying similar to PSK31 might be an option, here I would choose the 105 bd option. The beauty of HELL is simply that it is a system that is not designed to be machine readable (such as RTTY and PSK31) but reabable by the human eyes and brain. Each letter is kind of transmitted as a small "fax", you can use different fonts to give best readability. This allows to compensate for QRM and missing parts of letters etc. Although people do claim that machines can detect and read signals burried in noise better than the human senses, I have not yet seen this really happening (despite, probably, WOLF, but this also works only if a human eye looks through the garbled text received and immediately finds those sequences that make sense). People claiming that for example PSK31 works better than CW either have not tried this on LF or are not sufficently trained to listen to weak CW signals ... What I will do is to call cq in standard FELDHELL on 137.400 kHz this evening from time to time, and listen out for replies. If anyone feels disturbed by wide sidebands or other effects, please let me know immediately. Best 73 Geri, DK8KW (W1KW)