Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13803 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 10:39:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 10:39:54 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 22072 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 10:39:45 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 10:39:45 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16awn3-0003Ub-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:37:29 +0000 Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.101]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16awn2-0003UC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:37:28 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.130.94f4a82 (16335) for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 05:36:01 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <130.94f4a82.299b9b91@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 05:36:01 EST Subject: Re: LF: Loop comments (again) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 72 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Dave 'YMC, > ...There is a small earth > coupling loss which reflects to a series loss resistance. The actual mechanics of > this I have never understood, but the effective resistance of this is no more than > 0.5 ohms. There are two causes for ground-induced loss in a magnetic loop: - eddy currents in the ground. These are hardly avoidable and their losses increase with ground conductivity, so "bad LF ground" is good for loops. Of course, some distance (ie. height) helps, whereas using multiple turns makes no difference. - capacitively coupled losses if the high potential end of the loop comes close to ground. Properly balanced feeding from the top, low inductance and multiple series capacitors can reduce these losses. A similar situation occurs in magnetic resonance imaging, where small receive loops ("surface coils") are often placed close to the patient's skin to achieve maximum sensitivity, and the eddycurrent noise resistance of the tissue sets a fundamental limit in achievable SNR. Back to LF: If you had an (single-turn) loop of say 200 m^2 and 0.5 ohms, the series radiation resistance would be around 50 microohms and the efficiency 10^-4 (-40dB). On the other hand, a 10 m high top-loaded vertical radiates with approx. 33 milliohms, roughly the same 10^-4 at 300 ohms loss. The latter may be somewhat extreme though. In most cases, the losses of amateur vertical antennas seem to be on the order of 30 to 100 ohms (probably containing a large part of capacitively coupled losses rather than direct ground connection resistance). - A different point is the directional characteristic of a loop, which may sometimes become a handicap for TX. If you live on very high-impedance ground, an earth loop (a long wire laid out on the ground, shorted at the remote end and spanning up its area underneath due to the skin depth of the earth return current) may also be a viable option. 73s and all the best Markus, DF6NM