Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21162 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2002 11:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2002 11:32:20 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: (qmail 12031 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2002 11:32:13 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Jan 2002 11:32:13 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16V9xC-0007j5-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:28:02 +0000 Received: from bob.dera.gov.uk ([192.5.29.90]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16V9xB-0007j0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:28:01 +0000 Received: by bob.dera.gov.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id LAA06909; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:37:14 GMT Received: (qmail 13581 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2002 12:15:37 -0000 Received: from gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk (192.168.9.10) by baton.dstl.gov.uk with SMTP; 28 Jan 2002 12:15:37 -0000 Received: by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk; id LAA01467; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:44:07 GMT Received: from unknown(172.17.128.171) by gauntlet.mail.dstl.gov.uk via smap (3.2) id xma001441; Mon, 28 Jan 02 11:43:50 GMT Received: from FRN-MAIL-R3.dstl.gov.uk (unverified) by mailguard.dstl.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:33:55 +0000 Received: by frn-mail-r3.dstl.gov.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:26:56 -0000 Message-ID: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803DCB9982@pdw-mail-r1.dstl.gov.uk> From: "Talbot Andrew" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: Envelope shaping and class D Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:26:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Varying the drive duty cycle to change the RF level does not give the result expected at first sight. While the DC level does vary proportional to the duty cycle, the RF carrier, which is revealed via the second term of the Fourier expansion of a rectangular waveform does not. Instead, there is a SIN(X) / X component in the waveform which gives a horribly non linear relationship between duty cycle and RF out. It may be possible to pre-distort the drive waveform to work over a limited range of amplitudes, but I hate to think what the lookup table would contain ! The only real way to alter the amplitude is to change the power supply to the PA stage and a PWM modulator, ie. a switch mode PSU working open loop is not too complicated a beast to make if it really is necessary to adjust amplitude. But is it really worthwhile going to these lengths just to operate PSK31. There are several other schemes already in use with equally good signalling capabiliies that work with constant amplitude - ie JASON, Coherent (by VE2IQ) and a host of externally synchronised coherent PSK schemes as yet barely tried. No one has looked at MSK yet either. That is constant anmmplitude, and with a bit of imagination could be generated from a DDS as well as from the ubiquitous soundcard. Andy G4JNT -----Original Message----- From: Johan Bodin [mailto:sm6lkm.jbeab@swipnet.se] Sent: 28 January 2002 09:11 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Envelope shaping and class D John wrote: > Interesting idea, Johan, but I believe you'll find that if you drive the > amplifiers with a sinewave, there is an efficiency penalty; whereas, if you > drive them with a square wave, you actually have made a PWM modulator. Yes and yes. I meant square wave drive (class D). My idea was to combine the modulator and the P.A. in the same stage. This would eliminate the need for a separate PWM modulator in the P.A. power supply. The switching waveform will look a bit "spikey" at low output power. Worst case is when the output power is close to zero, the signal will look like a train of impulses with alternating polarity. I guess the spectrum will then contain all odd harmonics at the same amplitude as the fundamental, limited only by the switching times. Assuming a Q of 6 in the series resonant output circuit (typical value, I think), this circuit alone would attenuate the 3f component by 24dB. Not too bad. 73 Johan SM6LKM -- The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful.