Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26954 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 11:12:28 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 11:12:28 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 6706 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 11:12:26 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 11:12:26 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16U4DB-0007m6-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:08:01 +0000 Received: from mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.50]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16U4D9-0007lz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:07:59 +0000 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with SMTP id g0PB6ebk015986 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:06:40 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20020125120308.2ba74676@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:03:08 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: LF antenna gain In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20020125082049.00a32ec0@mail.pncl.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello Walter, You are raising a question I have been thinking about for quite some time. Even after discussion with some antenna specialists I didn't come to a conclusion. You are right stating that the gain figures you mention for a short vertical (4.77dBi or 2.62dBd) is based on the directivity (as for any gain from any antenna). And this directivity is caused by interference of the signal radiated 'into the air' and reflected by the (perfect) ground. In fact a vertical monopole can not radiate without some form of 'counterweight', wether it is the ground, some form of radial system or even just the shielding of the coaxcable it is fed through. Some time ago I did a simple test : I built a small battery operated xtal oscillator, using a CMOS gate (7400) and a 3.579MHz xtal running on a 9V battery. I did put the whole thing a a small plastic (not metal !) box, connected a 1m piece of wire (= antenna) to the oscillator output and hung it on the brach of a tree (few m high) at about 100m from the shack. Using my TS440 and a 1m wire antenna I could barely hear the signal. Next I cut 50cm of wire from the oscillator's antenna and connected it to the minus of the battery and hanging down, as counterweight (in fact making a kind short vertical dipole). Now the signal was very clear, I assume at least 10-20dB stronger. Changing the position of the counterweight wire from vertical to horizontal made the signal sleightly weaker (few dB) and adding a number of additional horizontal counterweight wires increased the signal again. I believe this confirms the fact that a vertical monopole is not much of a radiator without a counterweight. Now returning to your question : what is the gain (directivity) of a 'real world' short vertical monopole ? As you mention only a very small part of the transmitter power is radiated (typical between 1% and 0.01% of the power for amateur sized antennas). But this means that the part that is radiated 'sees' some kind of counterweight. Unfortunately is it impossible to know the shape and dimension of this counterweight and I believe that the directivity of the antenna just depends on this. For example : assume you have a full size (half wave) vertical dipole. This antenna will have a gain of 0dBd (obvious) or 2.15dBi. Further assume that the lower half of the dipole is a multi-strand wire and you 'untwist' all the strands. Now you get a lot of parallel wires, but nothing will change on the antenna behaviour. Next you start to tilt all the parallel wires, creating a kind of Ground Plane antenna. Assuming the number of wires would be endless the antenna directivity would slowly increase from 0dBd/ 2.15dBi (all wires vertical) to 3dBd /5.15dBi (all wires horizontal). This last is the gain of a quarter wave monopole. So in practice the directivity of a short vertical monopole over an imperfect ground will be somewhere between the gain of a short vertical dipole (1.77dBi / -0.39dBd) and the gain of a short vertical monopole over perfect ground (4.77dBd / 2.62dBd). That's the way I see it, no claims to be 100% correct. But I hope it helps. 73, Rik ON7YD At 10:04 25/01/02 +0000, you wrote: >Could one of you experts help me with the following please: > >A short vertical monopole antenna over perfect ground has a gain relative >to isotropic of 4.8 dB. >A half-wave dipole in free space has a gain rel. isotropic of 2.15 dB >Therefore, a monopole should have a gain of 2.65 dB over a dipole. >So the theory goes............ > >But look at the qualifier on the short vertical gain - it has to be >operating over "perfect ground". No amateur has "perfect ground"; at least >not that I am aware of. I haven't heard of anyone laying out 36 radials 550 >metres long under his antenna (not even G3KEV.......yet!) > >So nearly all the energy that goes into the ground is dissipated and does >not return to the feedpoint. Therefore it cannot reinforce the radiation >pattern. In that case, does the theoretical gain still hold? > >Gain is only obtained from directivity. Directivity can be calculated from >physical considerations but the equation to obtain gain from directivity >is G = e*D , where G = power gain, D = directivity, and e = radiated >power/total power. The "gains" quoted above are actually theoretical >directivity figures but they assume that e = 1, that is, that there are no >ground losses (as the definition states) and that accordingly gain is the >same as directivity. > >Not so in an average amateur situation, where e = 1/1000 (1w radiated for >1000w input) so G = 0.001*4.8 = .0048 dB. In other words, the average >amateur LF antenna is no better than isotropic. > >Or should I be ignoring earth losses and only counting copper losses? > >Walter G3JKV. > > > > > > > >