Return-Path: Received: (qmail 660 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2002 19:13:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2002 19:13:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 23216 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2002 19:13:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2002 19:13:36 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16O1er-0008Do-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 19:11:37 +0000 Received: from mta2.snet.net ([204.60.203.71]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16O1eq-0008Dj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 19:11:36 +0000 Received: from cianciolo (97.79.252.64.snet.net [64.252.79.97] (may be forged)) by mta2.snet.net (8.12.1/8.12.1/SNET-smtp-1.1/D-1.1/O-1.1) with SMTP id g08JAc6o001429; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:10:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00cb01c19878$1b38f6a0$6a01a8c0@cianciolo> From: "PC" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@mailman.qth.net References: <3C39E6F2.6C1C0918@netscapeonline.co.uk> <004801c197ba$645b49a0$1700a8c0@home> Subject: LF: Receiving loop very close to the ground Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 14:10:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Gentlemen, I have 3 sort of odd questions that have been on my mind for awhile Has anyone ever used a multiturn air core loop for LF that was mounted very close to the ground? I have built a very nice loop that I can tune fron 210 Khz to 73 Khz very nicely. Right now it is mounted on a few inches above the ground. Now I know that when raised to its final resting position 5 feet or so above the ground that it is likely to change freq. range sligthly. Here are my questions I know that I can illuminate(to some extent) a light bulb by connecting it to the hot side of the mains and grounding it to the earth indicating that there can be significant current flow in the earth at 50/60 Hz. 1) Can there also be significant flow at harmonic frequencies of the 50/60 Hz? If so does this mean that an antenna low to the ground like mine, could be picking up some of that energy that may be in the LF bands? Would raising it to 5 feet help eliminate some of that noise? 2) Does raising a loop have any effect on the received signal strength other moving the antennas resonance point? 3) Is it possible to shield one side of a loop antenna with say wire fencing a few feet away to elimiinate noise coming from 1 direction and thus making the unidirectional instead of bi-directional. After all are not we playing the game of signal against noise. To extend the range of a given station should much consideration be given to minimizing the undesirable noise, either man-made or natural ? Isn;t the noise the limiting factor here? Please tell me if I am all wet... I will go get a towel Thank you for information on these topics Paul A. Cianciolo W1VLF