Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25977 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2002 09:04:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2002 09:04:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 19898 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2002 09:04:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jan 2002 09:04:09 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Ns3P-0006UH-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 08:56:19 +0000 Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.93] helo=rhenium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Ns3O-0006UC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 08:56:18 +0000 Received: from host62-7-22-235.btinternet.com ([62.7.22.235] helo=dave) by rhenium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16Ns2b-0007RE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jan 2002 08:55:29 +0000 Message-ID: <001801c19822$783c1cc0$eb16073e@dave> From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020107152540.00aceaf0@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Subject: LF: Re: Band Plan Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:55:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >From Dave G3YMC Bandplans are an attempt to all users of a band to operate in harmony without causing each other interference. I would hope you would see these comments in that light! For instance, on the hf bands it is difficult to have a CW QSO underneath an SSB one (although some SSB ops seem quite happy to chat on totally oblivious to the CW QSO beneath them (happens all the time on Top Band..). Hence the historic division of the bands into CW and SSB segments. Although in the bandplans CW is allowed anywhere in the band (to allow dual mode QSOs), in practice all CW activity is confined to the CW only parts. The original CW segments have narrowed over the years to accomodate the incoming digital modes. Incidently the announcement of a data beacon on 1843 (admittedly low power) raised consternation in Top Band qrp ops - 'why do they always choose the QRP frequencies?'. 136 is of course an unusual case, primarily because of its narrow band. Rightly or wrongly therefore it has been decided that a hard and fast bandplan is not to be made. However the requirement to make it available to all users and (narrowband) modes remains, and it is on that basis that it has been drawn up and submitted. The biggest problem the CW users face on 136 is receiver bandwidth. Many of us, and certainly the casual listener we are trying to encourage to get interested in the band, will have a 350Hz (or even wider) CW filter with not particularly sharp skirts. Some operators have narrower CW filters and/or dsp filtering in their receivers - but probably none of them have anything better than 50Hz with square edges! With a simple split, CW in the lower section and other modes in the upper section, this is not a problem - though clearly more bandwidth is required to fit the same number of CW stations than their narrowband counterparts. In general that split works well, and with the Ropex around 136.55 has led to the current CW usage area. However with typical receive filters the presence of strong QRSS stations at 135.922 ish limits the usable bandwidth, and if CFH is on on 137.0 there is a relatively small segment in between that can be used. I am prepared to accept the need to use the lower segment for QRSS, but would be disappointed if activity moved any higher - in fact when SXV is off (as it seems to be most of the time at present, but that may change) there would be a case of moving back down. I would suggest also that the bandplan data mode segment (137.4-137.6 as it was in the original bandplan) is virtually unused. Surely that could be put into use (although presumably not for transatlantic - but there again CFH is not on much these days). With most of these new modes requiring less than 1Hz of bandwidth (even the seven dot measle stuff) there is plenty of room there. Activity is perhaps not as low as some would suggest. Among stations heard yesterday (a weekday) included F6BWO, DF3FDO, OH1TN - Reino called CQ several times, failed to hear me calling (understandable!) then went away. Last year he would have had a pileup. Also heard F6BWO on QRSS on 137.1..... 73s Dave G3YMC dsergeant@iee.org dsergeant@btinternet.com http://www.dsergeant.btinternet.co.uk