Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18963 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2002 21:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Jan 2002 21:21:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 10935 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2002 21:21:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 2 Jan 2002 21:21:14 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16LsmG-0007UA-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 21:18:24 +0000 Received: from carbon.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.92]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16LsmF-0007U5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 21:18:23 +0000 Received: from host213-122-103-35.btinternet.com ([213.122.103.35] helo=default) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #8) id 16LslU-0007ge-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2002 21:17:37 +0000 Message-ID: <000101c193d2$e7f08780$23677ad5@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Subject: LF: Phase meter Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:27:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Paul I have been wondering about that for some time and was hoping a souncard version of the Loran program that Peter G3PLX was experimenting with might appear. I would dearly like to confirm my thoughts about the path across. If you look at some of my early CFH plots (Sept- Dec 2000) you can see the strength rise to a peak just as the shadow at ground level reaches a point about 1000kms east the Nova Scotia coast. (This is just less that an hour before sunset, and would tie in with the recent of signal acquisition reports) By doing a little crude geometry I reckong that at this time the shadow at 100kms altitude has just reached mid-Atlantic. The signal level decays again then and rises again (to a much higher level) as the shadow at ground level reaches the Nova Scotia coast. At that time I think the shadow at 100kms altitude is at about 3/4 of the path. That is just the point where we need a 'reflection' for two hop propagation. The reasoning is very crude but could be confirmed by watching the phase change as a function of increasing path delay. What I am not sure of is the level of frequency stability that would be needed at the TX end. I suppose slow drift could be 'calibrated out', maybe by monitoring a station locally, inside ground wave distance. I think all the information is there in the samples taken for waterfall displays, but is not used (??) . I think you might have to talk nicely to Wolf...... it would fit well with his logging facility in SpectrumLab, that Brian CT1DRP uses for his plots of DCF39 (and other slots). In fact it is such a comprehensive piece of software it may already be there!! There are many parts of Wolf's program that I have not had time to investigate. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com