Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10458 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 11:26:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 11:26:57 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 5557 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2001 11:26:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2001 11:26:59 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JYWe-0004L5-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:16:40 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16JYWa-0004Kz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:16:36 +0000 Received: from ldsas11-75-126-51.cw-visp.com ([212.137.126.51] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16JYLU-0004Ly-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:05:09 +0000 Message-ID: <3C2AEC45.ED38F8E3@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 09:39:17 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: Clutter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I tried some 60 sec dot qrs last night for a short time around 2330 - 0110 utc and I dont suppose anyone across in W or VE saw it because of the clutter around the 135922 khz freq area. There are 3 different modes at present FSK , 7FSK and normal QRS all being used on adjacent close frequencies and it must be difficult and at the receiving end to watch these different modes because of the different settings required using ARGO or other s/ware for each one. It might be better for us to spread out on the band and allocate with agreement a sub band for each mode, otherwise we will end up with a mess of all modes intermixed at the RX end, also for two way QSO'S eventually we need some procedures established for this very narrow band on 136 khz. The old system worked very well when everyone was on QRS side by side and several could be seen at the RX end simultaneously, but with 7 fsk in particular spread about it is now difficult. I cannot see any advantage using 7fsk over the qrs mode, only disadvantage with 7 frequencies plus spaces taking up about 14 times more bandwidth. Maybe others would like to express an opinion. 73 and Happy New Year to all de Mal/G3KEV