Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1548 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 18:57:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 18:57:36 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 5433 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2001 18:57:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2001 18:57:37 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HrI6-0000HI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 18:54:38 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16HrI5-0000HD-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 18:54:37 +0000 Received: from ldsas19-83-134-58.cw-visp.com ([212.137.134.58] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16Hr75-0005w0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 18:43:16 +0000 Message-ID: <3C24D6A1.8B8659DE@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 18:53:21 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: JKV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I can read the G3JKV 1 watt beacon aurally and see it on visual but I cannot see a trace of his 7 tone shift 5W signal above 137 khz. I can hear and see his 7 tone shift signal with his 400 watts. It would appear to me at this distance and beyond that the simple cw keyed signal has more potential for low power(qrp) than any other proposed system suggested. The G3AQC signal on FSK (not DFSK as described, the commercial designation for DFSK/DFS is a signal with 4 frequency limits and not 2, amateur confusion again. Perhaps most radio amateurs have never heard of DFS. Considering the bandwith constraints on both 73 and 136 khz the most efficient method is normal CW whether it be qrs or normal speed where applicable. John in VE1 has pointed out the problems with the G3AQC fsk signal swamping the LF band to the detriment of others using adjacent frequencies. I also watched G3AQC last night and anyone else using an adjacent frequency would have been wiped out because of the type of signal transmitted by this station. My suggestion as previously stated it to learn and operate conventional CW and know your appropriate Q codes and use QRS or normal speed as appropriate. Piccolo or a cut down version is not appropriate for the bandwidth available on the LF bands. I did predict a big opening last night on 136 khz, CFH was extremely strong, and a normal hand sent/received cw QSO was a possibility, an oppertunity missed. 73 De G3KEV