Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23641 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 09:21:32 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 09:21:32 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 18175 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2001 09:21:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 4 Dec 2001 09:21:55 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BBjj-000864-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 09:19:35 +0000 Received: from mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.50]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16BBjg-00085z-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Dec 2001 09:19:32 +0000 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.12.1/8.12.1) with SMTP id fB49IHhY090170 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:18:17 +0100 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20011204101542.2bff5384@pb623250.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: pb623250@pb623250.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 10:15:42 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: LF: Improving extreme weak signals In-reply-to: <3C0BACB1.2ABF3AF8@ns.sympatico.ca> References: <003601c17c07$4c58fc40$587e883e@g3aqc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello group, First of all my congrats to the ZL6QH team and W4DEX for setting a new milestone. Besides the new distance record it also shows that 136kHz DX progation isn't limited to northern (southern) latitudes. Now another item : In the recent 136kHz trans-pacific tests and the 73kHz trans-atlantic tests the mode was DFCW with 2 minute dotlength. I believe that both DFCW and these long dotlengths could make it possible to gain a few more dB SNR : 1. Assuming we use a 2 minute dotlength where the dot starts exactly on an even minute the receiving software could take advantage of this 'synchronisation' as it would exactly know over what period the signal has to be integrated. This would not only allow to get rid of the 'blur' but also strongly reduce the FFT calculation time (that could be used for other SNR improving handlings). Further it might be possible that the knowledge of the exact 'dot period' can allow a better discrimination between presence/absence of a signal. 2. With the current receiving software what you see on the screen is the strength of a signal compared to the noise. Using DFCW with a exactly known shift would make it possible to show the 'differential' signal. This should give a 3dB gain over QRSS. Eg : Assume that we could agree to a standard shift of 0.1Hz. Further assume that the receiving software shows a 4Hz segment (let's say 798 to 802Hz). So at the 800Hz line on the screen we would not see the absolute strength of the 800Hz component but the difference between the 800.0 and 799.9Hz components. If a 'dash' is transmitted (on 800.0Hz) the differential signal would be positive, if a 'dot' is transmitted (on 799.9Hz) the differential signal would be negative and if nothing is transmitted the differential signal would be (close to) zero. If we connect these differentential values to a good color pallette a DFCW signal would be shown on a single line (the 'dash' frequency) where a 'dash could appear as one color (eg. red) and a dot as another color (eg. blue) while noise (no signal) would appear as the inbetween color (eg. brown). We would have to get used to this kind of appearance of a DFCW signal, but the profit would be a 3dB better SNR. I wonder if the above makes some sense (I'm not a DSP specialist) ? 73, Rik ON7YD