Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29725 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2001 18:47:02 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Nov 2001 18:47:02 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 18585 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2001 18:47:05 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Nov 2001 18:47:05 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 166Fli-0007TI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:37:14 +0000 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.90]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 166Flh-0007T9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:37:13 +0000 Received: from pickmere.demon.co.uk ([158.152.117.143]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 166Fkr-0003G0-0W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:36:21 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:49:54 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "M.J.Powell" Subject: Re: LF: "Discussion" and the amateur radio spirit References: <002701c171b6$735c4d20$049e7ad5@kevin> In-reply-to: <002701c171b6$735c4d20$049e7ad5@kevin> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: In message <002701c171b6$735c4d20$049e7ad5@kevin>, Kevin Ravenhill writes >Greetings all, > >Sorry if this post is a little off-topic for the list but I felt something >needed to be said. Apologies if it sounds like a lecture, my intention was >simply to offer some constructive criticism on the subject of list postings >and I hope it will be seen as such. > >I rejoined this list very recently, after deciding to leave it many months >ago due to what I saw as an unacceptably high level of "flaming" by one or >two people in particular. This, coupled with an apparent reluctance on the >part of some to accept that others may have different technical opinions to >their own. > >Having received a couple of days postings since I rejoined, it has, sadly, >become all too apparent that nothing has changed. I see that the sniping is >still going on, and that some are still having to justify themselves in the >face of the technical bigotry / pedantry / apparent unfriendliness of >others. Unfortunately, this phenomenon does seem to be increasingly >prevalent within the amateur radio "community" (I now use that term >advisedly) in the UK in particular. > >Technology marches on, and with it the number of different avenues for >exploration - all of which are equally valid, since this is meant to be a >hobby. As such, individuals should be free to explore whatever takes their >fancy without having to endure censure, disapproval or constraint from >anyone else. Indeed, anyone who would seek to discourage such self-training >and investigation does not deserve the privilege of a radio amateur licence, >IMHO. There are many aspects of the hobby which do not interest me at all, >but I would never seek to dissuade others from taking them up. > >My impression (somewhat reinforced by talking to one or two acquaintances >who happen to be professional psychologists) is that this apparent penchant >for sniping at others is a particularly British "disease". Our American >friends in particular seem to suffer from it to a much lesser extent. This >seems to be borne out by the nature of the postings to various US-based >lists of which I am a member - even when discussions become heated, they are >almost always carried on in a spirit of friendliness and good humour. Or >perhaps it is just that I have missed something, or have simply failed to >appreciate the subtleties of wit and "drier" humour in this list? > >Whatever happened to the spirit of amateur radio and the principle of >accepting someone else's viewpoint or interest as valid even if not >necessarily agreeing with it? IMO, if you can't offer constructive input to >a particular discussion then you should not post at all. Of course, I >realise that this post in itself may be seen as not very constructive, and >that I have therefore immediately broken my own rule - fair enough. I did >have reservations about posting it. Also, for that reason it will be my one >and only post on this subject. I am happy to reply to direct emails (so long >as they are reasonably constructive!) if anyone wants to continue this. > >I fully expect to get flamed by somebody for daring to say something. In >such case it will simply reinforce my view and I will feel obliged to leave >this list for good. Some may see this as advantageous, of course....:-) > >By way of some light relief, the following page is quite interesting: > >http://www.qsl.net/vk2zto/ExpModes/beware.htm > >(I put myself very definitely in the "Dreamer" category...) > >Best regards to all in the spirit of amateur radio, > >Kevin, G1HDQ. Seconded. Mike -- M.J.Powell