Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28343 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2001 16:19:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Nov 2001 16:19:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 13759 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2001 16:19:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Nov 2001 16:19:36 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 167IwM-0000NB-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:12:34 +0000 Received: from tomts7.bellnexxia.net ([209.226.175.40] helo=tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 167IwL-0000N0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:12:34 +0000 Received: from server1 ([216.209.138.25]) by tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20011123161119.JFAL9080.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@server1> for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2001 11:11:19 -0500 Message-ID: <002e01c17439$7be0ea20$0a00a8c0@ThreeLakes.ca> From: "Larry Kayser" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <155.3badb82.291bfd5c@aol.com> <00aa01c16876$8416c940$09dc9384@ma.ultranet.com> <022501c16996$4f5a1880$a4e3adcb@p150> Subject: LF: My error..... Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 11:05:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Back a while ago I got my foot firmly into my mouth re 20/1000 ringing induction on the POTS telephone network in this age. My apology to all. 20/1000 was used extensively in the old analogue network, the toll transmission part of the system. It was also used extensively in private line systems such as air traffic control and weather circuits where the line was monitored full time by a speaker system. The 20 Hz rang the bells, the 1000 hz woke up those who were audio monitoring. When you lifted the handset the speaker was cut off, so if the handset was sitting on the desk the bells rang, or the 1000 Hz would wake the dead through the speaker. The ringing generators, a number of types, but in this case were made by the Holtzer Cabot Co. of Boston and examples are on display of the 20/1000 generators in a number of museums, mainly in the USA. Why I was convinced that this was used on the POTS network I am not sure. I have now checked a number of line cards used in both ESS and DMS switches and find that it is not even an option anymore. Again my apology to all. Larry VA3LK