Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22452 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2001 02:12:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Nov 2001 02:12:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 29509 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2001 02:12:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Nov 2001 02:12:26 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 168Xeg-0002PP-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:07:26 +0000 Received: from dc-mx01.cluster0.hsacorp.net ([209.225.8.11] helo=dc-mx01.cluster1.charter.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 168Xef-0002PK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2001 02:07:25 +0000 Received: from [24.216.235.182] (HELO johncellar) by dc-mx01.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 47335708 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:14:12 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c176e8$24500a00$0300a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c176df$d74fcb80$0200a8c0@charter.net> Subject: LF: 73 kHz Signal Measurements Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:06:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I started pondering ways to make useful measurements of 70-75 kHz commercial signals coming from across the pond. My receiver has a useless S-meter, so we'll skip that approach. Here's one possibility with a surprising result: The following was done between 0130 and 0200 tonight. My loop preamp is not at the antenna, but rather in the shack. I put a variable 50 ohm attenuator between the output of the preamp and my receiver. Tuning to 75.0 kHz, I heard what I assume to be HBG. I started ARGO, with the 3 sec/dot screen (basically because I want instant results). I found that it took 65 dB of attenuation to remove the HBG line from the screen. Dropping down to 73.30 kHz, it took 60 dB of attenuation to kill the rather broad line from the FSK signal. Considering that the Rugby station's power is spread over 100 Hz (though concentrated at 73.2 and 73.3 from the look of it), that seems reasonable. In any case, that's a lot of attenuation. Of course, there's a lot to be gained by narrowing the BW, so I ran ARGO at 60 sec/dot, and had to crank in another 13 dB to kill HBG. There's a considerable time lag in making such measurements, so fading sets some limits on accuracy. But I did end up barely being able to see the signal at -77 dB. Interesting, eh? One possible objection to the method is that the absolute value of the attenuation is probably in error due to the output impedance of the preamp and the input impedance of the receiver not being 50 ohms. While that's true, at least the changes in attenuation needed to kill the signal under various band conditions would still be valid. This will enable me to track things on a day-to-day basis. Thoughts and criticisms would be appreciated. John Andrews, W1TAG