Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6930 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 13:44:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 13:44:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 11091 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2001 13:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 13:44:06 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 160jr6-00010W-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2001 13:32:00 +0000 Received: from cmailenv3.svr.pol.co.uk ([213.218.77.55]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 160jr5-00010R-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2001 13:31:59 +0000 Received: from [62.21.141.79] (helo=w8k3f0) by cmailENV3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 160jqQ-0003P2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Nov 2001 13:31:18 +0000 Message-ID: <000201c165fe$20161060$4f8d153e@w8k3f0> From: "Dick Rollema" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3.0.1.16.20011105101340.2be78370@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> Subject: Re: LF: Aerial system resistance at PA0SE Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 14:27:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dr. OM, Rik, ON7YD wrote: > > I just put Dick's data into excel, the trendline says R = 4568/F > Remarkable is that, while the previous data (M0BMU, ZL2CA) gave a very good > fit, there are a lot of 'bumps' in Dick's data. > This encourages my idea that the measure loss resistance is far more than > just the ground loss. > This could be due to the strange configuration, especially the central heating system. This is connected to the gas pipe that carries the aerial current to earth. But that system is also capacitively and inductively coupled to the house wiring which in turn has its own capacitance to earth.. I also noticed the irregularities but they remained after repeated measurements, so they are really there. > Question to Dick : do the given values include the coil-loss or did you > qlready subtract it ? Yes, I did subtract the coil resistance. 73, Dick, PA0SE