Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29129 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2001 10:43:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Oct 2001 10:43:24 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 17399 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2001 10:42:05 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 31 Oct 2001 10:42:05 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 15yscj-0004EE-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:29:29 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 15ysci-0004E9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:29:28 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15ysc2-0004v4-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:28:46 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=mj9ar) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 15ysc1-0004SW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:28:45 +0000 From: "James Moritz" Organization: University of Hertfordshire To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:32:12 +0000 Subject: Re: LF: Multi-layer loading coils In-reply-to: <000a01c16187$aec96d00$49c928c3@ericadodd> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Peter, LF group, I also got one of the Decca loading coils - mine was from the scrap pile at Puckeridge, and was of the old type with the difficult-to- solder litz and the former solvent glued together, and so not possible to dismantle without breaking many parts. Mine had 12 wires in parallel and L of a few hundred uH, so not very good for my antenna, which needs about 4mH to resonate on 136k. In the end, I just used the wire from the Decca coil and scrapped the rest. As a former, I found a "sectional manhole" made by Osma was very suitable. This is a brown PVC cylinder about 500mm diameter and 350mm long, with external ribs. It is meant to form the walls of manholes for drains, and several sections can be slotted together for a bigger former if needed. About 6 turns of the Decca litz wire fit between each pair of ribs, forming a winding 3 layers deep by 2 long. about 80 or so turns altogether gave me the required inductance, which has a Q of about 700. I tried several experiments and found that in all practical cases, single layer windings gave higher Q than multi-layer ones, and have the advantage that there is the maximum seperation between the two ends, which may have upwards of 20kV between them when running 1.2kW. However, a single layer coil using the thick Decca wire would have been very large - about 2 or 3 metres long using the sectional manholes - so the configuration above, which is effectively 14 x 6 turn windings in series, each 3 deep, is a reasonable compromise between Q, L, and size, and keeps the voltage between adjacent turns below 1kV if wound carefully. This has been working happily for the last year or so. I am using a second sectional manhole wound with more turns of smaller, ordinary stranded wire for 73k, which stacks on top of the 136k loading coil. As others have pointed out in the past, big loading coils only give minor improvements in antenna efficiency - but the main reason for having one is so that it does not melt, catch fire, etc when running high power. This one barely gets warm at the 1.2kW level. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU