Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7150 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2001 10:37:50 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Oct 2001 10:37:50 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 18170 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2001 10:36:33 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 23 Oct 2001 10:36:33 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 15vyrM-0006dG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:32:36 +0100 Received: from tlvsca.vim.tlt.alcatel.it ([194.243.74.245]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 15vyrJ-0006d7-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:32:34 +0100 Received: from tlvk7v (tlvk7v.vim.tlt.alcatel.it [151.98.40.9]) by tlvsca.vim.tlt.alcatel.it (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA19283 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:29:37 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:16:45 +0100 From: "Claudio Girardi" Subject: LF: Re: Loading coils and shorted turns To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: Z-Mail Pro 6.2, NetManage Inc. [ZM62_16H] X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Regarding variometer design, I have put on my site a simple form that computes the main parameters for the classical two coils variometers, both the sliding and the rotating coils types. It is at http://www.qsl.net/in3otd/variodes.html ; there are also some photos of my variometer, designed using these forms, at http://www.qsl.net/in3otd/pictures.html . Hope this can be of some help, 73 de Claudio, IN3OTD P.S.: shorting turns to adjust the inductance of a coil should not be harmful, if the wire has a low resistance and the turns are not too close; I seem to remember that I have used this in the output PI of an HF power amplifier some time ago... > Hello Martin, > > > >In Peter Dodd's book LF experiments page 55 a drawing is shown of a loading > >coil arrangment. The the coil inductance is adjusted by shorting turns on > >the coil. Is this right? > > > >Martin > > ... not having Peter's book on hand, but there are several ways of > adjusting the loading coil. The option of shorting turns on the coil can > only give a rough adjustment of the inductivity needed. > > You can for example build a variometer. If you have a look at may homepage > (http://www.qru.de/station.htm) you can see that I use a combination the > method described above with a variometer inside my loading coil. In the > middle of the page you can see the arrangment, a PVC tube with a smaller > coil wound on it, parallel to the main coil. This allows a very definite > fine adjustment of the inductance needed. If you do not have an RF meter on > hand, it also helps to use an oscilloscope and put the wires of the > oscilloscope near the top of the coil (do not directly connect it, you > might have several thousand Volts there!) and tune for maximum voltage that > you can see on the scope. I use a very simple and cheap scope to do this, > which also gives me an indication about the waveform. > > Others have used two cylindrical coils that are being pushed into each > other to fine-tune the inductivity. Walter, DJ2LF uses a lareg PVC pipe and > has a small ferrit core lying inside, the position of this small core > inside the pipe adjusts his inductivity. > > Be aware, that adjusting the loading coil is the key to get the antenna > resonating, it can take a fraction of a turn with the variometer to find > the resonance. > > Also, as an additional hint: think BIG! If you look to the loading coil I > use in relation to the CD, you see, how big the coil should be. 40 cm in > diamter and 50 or 60 cm length is not too big. Copper wire or litz wire > might be fine, I myself used simple 1.5 square-millimeter wire used > normally for electrical installations in houses, I used about 150 to 200 m > for my coil. > > Hope this helps a bit. > > Best 73 > > Geri, DK8KW (W1KW)