Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23617 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2001 17:53:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Oct 2001 17:53:50 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 26712 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2001 17:52:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 1 Oct 2001 17:52:34 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15o74M-0005eH-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2001 18:41:30 +0100 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15o74K-0005dd-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2001 18:41:28 +0100 Received: from ldsas18-82-133-223.cw-visp.com ([212.137.133.223] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 15o6rN-0007Bm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 01 Oct 2001 17:28:06 +0000 Message-ID: <3BB89B8F.93507C9F@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 17:36:32 +0100 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: 73KHz beacon References: <3.0.1.16.20011001084908.2af76e6c@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> <3.0.1.16.20011001105044.2d67661a@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> <3.0.1.16.20011001130655.30f79622@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Rik Strobbe wrote: > >Rik, thanks for the explanations. > >I would have never imagined that the gain provided by having a radiation > >diagram 'squeezed' in the vertical plane could more than compensate for > >the losses caused by the very short dimensions (compared to the wavelength) > >of the antenna. Today I learnt a new one. TNX. > > Hi Alberto, > > If an short vertical monopole is placed over perfect ground and brought to > resonance with a perfect loadingcoil there are no losses, so its > performance will be independent of its length. It looks a bit strange at > first sight but in the perfect world there are no losses and so every mW > you put into the antenna will be radiated regardless wether the antenna is > 1m or 100m high. > Unfortunately there is no perfect ground and no lossless loading coil so in > practice (on 136kHz) a longer antenna will outperform a shorter and the one What I have been saying all the time and I am glad you and others realize this at LAST!!!! > > who can put a lambda/2 dipole at lambda/4 height will have the > super-antenna (but this antenna just doesn't fit in my back yard). > > 73, Rik ON7YD