Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29799 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2001 07:49:32 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Oct 2001 07:49:32 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 5438 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2001 07:47:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 24 Oct 2001 07:47:09 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 15wIf9-00056Y-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:41:19 +0100 Received: from mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.6]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 15wIf7-00056T-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:41:18 +0100 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA44624 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:40:35 +0200 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20011024083841.2d5fce9c@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> X-Sender: pb623250@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:38:41 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Loading coils and shorted turns In-reply-to: <002301c15be1$27562210$0a00a8c0@ThreeLakes.ca> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello Larry, I can confirm that shorting turns does lower the Q (= increase losses). The effect is miminal when only a few turns are shorted, but when I measured my loading coil on a commercial impedance analyzer (HP) I noticed following : - using 50% of the turns, other 50% left open : Q = 350 - using 50% of the turns, other 50% shorted : Q = 220 73, Rik ON7YD At 12:38 23/10/01 -0400, you wrote: >Claudio wrote..... > >> P.S.: shorting turns to adjust the inductance of a coil should >> not be harmful, > >When I was bringing up the Decca here last winter and trying to get power >into the antenna I found that shorting turns had a disasterous effect on the >performance of the loading coil. I learned quickly to leave the unused coil >OPEN at the top, for those with Telco experience, a "bridge tap". When I >quit shorting turns I found the antenna current went up and the radiated >signal also went up. > >Just my experience.... > >Larry >VA3LK > > > > >