Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16299 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2001 20:14:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Oct 2001 20:14:37 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 2736 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2001 20:14:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 19 Oct 2001 20:14:21 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 15uftr-0001ij-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 21:05:47 +0100 Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.81] helo=mailout03.sul.t-online.de) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 15uftp-0001id-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 21:05:46 +0100 Received: from fwd00.sul.t-online.de by mailout03.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 15uft8-00036Z-0A; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 22:05:02 +0200 Received: from (0482183881-0001@[62.156.6.202]) by fwd00.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 15ufsx-1Fj46KC; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 22:04:51 +0200 From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200110151812.f9FICno01937@smtp.wanadoo.nl> Subject: Re: LF: dcf39/dk8kw X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 22:04:51 +0200 Message-ID: <15ufsx-1Fj46KC@fwd00.sul.t-online.com> X-Sender: 0482183881-0001@t-dialin.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Ko, Wolfgang, Markus es All. Ko, thank you for the hint. Gspec is really a fine help. but sri the resolution is not sufficient measuring 10mHz or less. may be it is`nt neccessary any more analysing the mark of DCF39 whether there is a keying in it or not. Markus wrote: >There is no extra narrowband modulation. The widening of the mark spectral >line is simply caused by the normal FSK bursts (200 bd, 340 Hz shift) which >are sent at irregular intervals, at least once in every 12 seconds. and Wolf(gang) wrote in a direct e-mail: > Leider ist die > Frequenztastung nicht kohärent, d.h. die Phase des "Trägers" bei 138.8300 kHz > kehrt nach dem kurzen Impulspaket nicht zum ursprünglichen Wert zurück. But when I do compare the DCF A0 (the mark between two bursts) with the A0 of p.e.Deutsche Welle (A3BC) using SpecLab or Gspec it seems there is something in the DCF-mark that looks intentionally (phase keying ?) not to be seen on other A0s. sri, Markus, but the screenshot does`nt convince me. sri, Wolfgang, I do not belief in "Kohärenzprobleme". the simplest would be questioning the staff at DCF. but would one get the truth out of them ? I will see my friends at the Radio-Monitoring-Station Itzehoe (RegTP-Aussenstelle) to solve the problem (I make it my problem) by analysing the frequenzy using their equipment (I have been member of the staff). will do it soon. sri at time I`m vy busy doing my job (mayor). regards Uwe/dj8wx