Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22605 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2001 11:32:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Aug 2001 11:32:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 10503 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2001 11:32:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 17 Aug 2001 11:32:19 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15XhbZ-0001UQ-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:15:57 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15XhbY-0001UL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:15:56 +0100 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15Xhar-0006xk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:15:13 +0100 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=mj9ar) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 15Xhaq-00026e-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:15:12 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "James Moritz" Organization: University of Hertfordshire To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:17:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: LF: 183 carrier received in ZL In-reply-to: <002701c12691$1b9445e0$70b51bca@xtr743187> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-ID: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF group, ZL2CA wrote: > > As half the circumference of the globe is nominally 20000 km, then > propagation between ZL and EU does not have a lot of difference between > long and short paths. The antipodean positions are ZL and Portugal. Any > minor tilt or disturbances in an "ionospheric shell" can influence the > angle of arrival for DX between EU and ZL. For amateur LF testing, > antennas are nominally omnidirectional, so if there does turn out to be > confirmed reception, the path will have worked itself out! > But the point is, since Europe 1 has a highly directional antenna beaming in the long path direction, there is a large difference in the ERP of the signal depending on whether it arrives by long path or short path. If I understand it correctly, the french text of the Europe 1 web pages (http://home.worldnet.fr/~tvignaud/am/e1/fr-e1.htm) says the forward gain of the antenna is 3, and signals off the back of the antenna are attenuated by "1/1000", presumably a forward gain of about 5dB, and -30dB front to back ratio. Taken literally, this would mean a long-path signal of a few megawatts ERP, and a short path signal of only a few kW ERP. If an amateur signal of 1W ERP is generated with an omnidirectional pattern, it would be 60-70dB down on the Europe 1 long path signal, but "only" 30-40dB down on the short path signal. So if the signals seen by ZL2CA are arriving by a short path, the chances of amateur signals being detectable are much greater than if they are arriving by the long path. If the signals are going via a short path, other european broadcasters with omnidirectional antennas should be considerably stronger than Europe 1. Conversely, if the signal arrives by the long path, Europe 1 should be somewhat stronger than the rest. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU