Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27005 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2001 11:15:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Aug 2001 11:15:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 26117 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2001 11:15:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 25 Aug 2001 11:15:24 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15abHb-0005sP-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 12:07:19 +0100 Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.36]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15abHa-0005sK-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 12:07:18 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.4.) id l.149.7b0813 (17530) for ; Sat, 25 Aug 2001 07:06:32 -0400 (EDT) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <149.7b0813.28b8e0b8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 07:06:32 EDT Subject: LF: Re: Carriers To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows DE sub 10506 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Mal and Alan,

I can strongly confirm such QRM from modern TV sets. That also seems to be
the reason why some days I "don't have ears" when operation from DF0WD.
On a spectrogram, you can see the 50- or 100-Hz-spaced lines drifting around
slowly.
Also confirm the range of these nasty carriers: they can indeed exceed the
range of 100 yards (~meters). The clubstation DF0WD is about 150mtrs away
from the next house, but a part of QRM seems to correlate with the TV prime
time. On the waterfall its impressive to see a group of carriers disappearing
instantly after the main evening news at 20:15 local.

I guess most of the QRM travels over the mains supply lines. I already
considered building a battery-powered remove RX with a 70cm-FM-link to the
main station (using a cheap 70cm-LPD handy). The problem is finding a quiet
remote RX side where the RX cannot be vandalized or stolen.

As alternative, I am very curious about Steve's and Rob's noise canceller
experiments. IMO, cancelling more than one QRM source is a tough job.

Good luck to all,
 hope to c u  on 136kHz,
   Wolf  DL4YHF.