Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20539 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2001 20:35:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Aug 2001 20:35:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 1472 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2001 20:35:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 16 Aug 2001 20:35:16 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15XTfr-00029f-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:23:27 +0100 Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([203.96.92.13]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15XTfn-00029a-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:23:24 +0100 Received: from xtr743187 ([202.27.181.112]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20010816202210.JMJG1551126.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr743187> for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:22:10 +1200 Message-ID: <002701c12691$1b9445e0$70b51bca@xtr743187> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3.0.1.16.20010816085833.2dcf9ee4@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> Subject: Re: LF: 183 carrier received in ZL Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:21:01 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Rik and others, Thanks for various comments. Regarding path estimates: > Based on the coordinates the Saarlouis TX should be in JN39IG and according > to the Buckmaster callbook ZL2CA is in RE78JQ. I am actually located in RE78IR. I do not know how Buckmaster obtains their data, however the practical impact is minor for DX situations.. > That makes the distance 18630km and direction 51 degrees for the short path > and 21370km / 231 degrees for the long path (directions seen from Europe). > Assuming the better propagation over the night side of the earth shortpath > should occur in the EU evening (= ZL morning) and longpath in EU morning (= > ZL evening). > > The Europe 1 antennas should favour longpath, but Bob's copy (at ZL > sunrise) would be shortpath ? > > 73, Rik ON7YD As half the circumference of the globe is nominally 20000 km, then propagation between ZL and EU does not have a lot of difference between long and short paths. The antipodean positions are ZL and Portugal. Any minor tilt or disturbances in an "ionospheric shell" can influence the angle of arrival for DX between EU and ZL. For amateur LF testing, antennas are nominally omnidirectional, so if there does turn out to be confirmed reception, the path will have worked itself out! 73, Bob ZL2CA