Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5013 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 14:14:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Jul 2001 14:14:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 8895 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 14:13:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 17 Jul 2001 14:13:56 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15MVT6-00013O-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:04:56 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from relay.dera.gov.uk ([192.5.29.49]) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15MVT2-00013J-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:04:52 +0100 Received: (qmail 2508 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 15:02:28 +0100 Received: from trtnmail.dera.gov.uk (146.80.9.56) by relay.dera.gov.uk with SMTP; 17 Jul 2001 15:02:28 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 16232 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 15:06:08 +0100 Received: (ofmipd 192.5.29.90); 17 Jul 2001 14:05:46 -0000 Received: by bob.dera.gov.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id PAA00275; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:09:44 +0100 (BST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: (qmail 24008 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 14:56:07 -0000 Received: from gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk (172.16.9.10) by baton.dera.gov.uk with SMTP; 17 Jul 2001 14:56:07 -0000 Received: by gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk; id OAA14843; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:44:57 GMT Received: from unknown(10.71.64.31) by gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk via smap (3.2) id xma014730; Tue, 17 Jul 01 14:44:08 GMT Received: from mailex.dera.gov.uk (unverified) by mailguard.dera.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:02:22 +0100 Received: (qmail 28917 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 13:52:10 +0100 Received: from softdnserror (HELO cchecker.dstl.gov.uk) (192.168.248.52) by mailex.dstl.gov.uk with SMTP; 17 Jul 2001 12:52:10 -0000 Received: from FRN-MAIL-R3 (unverified) by cchecker.dstl.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.2) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:52:10 +0100 Received: by FRN-MAIL-R3 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <356X2SYW>; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:01:53 +0100 Date: 17 Jul 2001 14:51:59 +0100 Message-ID: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803D55C558@pdw-mail-r1.dstl.gov.uk> From: "Andrew Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: ELF Antennas - ground loops tested. MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I did hear from a non attributable source in the academic world that at one time there was a proposal in this country to use the third rail of the railway network as an antenna for ELF/ULF communications. But he was not able to recall if any actual tests were ever made of this medium. For readers outside the UK (and those living in the north of the country who have overhead powered electric trains) the third rail supplies power for the railway in the Southern part of the UK. It is a system that dates back to the 1950s (I think) and runs at about 700 Volts DC - presumably at a few thousand Amps for the larger commuter trains. Not very efficient, there are transformers and rectifier houses every few km along the track. Return current is via the normal tracks at ground potential. The network provides a well insulated mass of metal which could be either loaded against ground or turned into massive horizontal loops. This assumes that the difficulties of providing the electrical isolation between the railway power, the railway signalling and transmit signals could be organised. The presence of trains on the track would also presumably affect the tuning ! I also heard that a test was once made (sometime in the 1960s) using a spare power station, running at a frequency other than 50 Hz, loaded into a section of high voltage power grid shorted to ground at the far end. Wonder what they did about phase balance ? I don't know how successful these tests were, but at least they did actually happen. Presumably other ideas for antennas were also tried back then. The fact that we do not use ULF/ELF for submarine comms suggests that either the tests were unsuccessful, or, more likely, we did not need the sort of communications that ULF/ELF would give, ie. world wide, very low data rate with deep submerged vessels. Readers of Tom Clancy's "The Hunt for Red October" can work out that the US do indeed have something like this ! The commemorative transmission from GBR a few weeks ago also formally clears the fact that we use 16kHz for our comms links - hopefully I will no longer have to use the word allegedly when stating this. It would certainly seem that loops were considered the way to go at low frequencies. There are no apocryphal tales of km high metal towers with megavolts on them ! Andy G4JNT -- The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). 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