Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11595 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 09:50:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jul 2001 09:50:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 19884 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 09:49:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 8 Jul 2001 09:49:49 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15JB4G-0007V4-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Jul 2001 10:41:32 +0100 Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.93] helo=rhenium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15JB4E-0007Uz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Jul 2001 10:41:31 +0100 Received: from [62.7.76.209] (helo=default) by rhenium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #9) id 15JB3a-0003qL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 Jul 2001 10:40:50 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01c10791$bcad2240$d14c073e@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Subject: LF: Rx sensitivity again Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 10:37:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all, as Reg has released a new version of his Groundwave program, I thought some results might be of interest, particularly to those struggling to decide whether they are getting the best from their receivers. The results are based on some figures that Dick PA0SE hase published previously for the field strength of the German Utility station DCF39 on 138.83kHz, and some measurements made here (Ipswich). Using Dick's measurement for the field strength of the Madeberg station of 2mV/m, at a distance of 494kms, and the known output power of 50kW, we come to a figure for the aerial efficiency of 80% over a ground condition of 7 (average ground). 80% may seem high for what we are used to with amateur aerials, but this has been suggest by Gammal as the target for most commercial installations. From the figures quoted for the big aerial at Rugby GBR (16kHz) I estimate that that would have an efficiency of around 85% is used at 136kHz. I am at a distance of about 700kms and using the same parameters leads to a figure of 0.812mV/m here. Which is well inline with the signals I receive in daytime from DCF39. This value also agrees well with the value measured by Dick around Old Windor at last year's HF Convention (0.7mV/m). Reg has added a 'twiddle' capability to the program which allows the incremental variation of several key parameters whilst watching the results be continuously calculated. I found this very useful fo see the effect of different parameters on the final value. I think by using these figures in Reg's program , and possibly his other programs for some aerial calculations, could help to check the effectiveness of a receiving setup, certainly in the UK. The figures show that my aerial is not as good as it should be, with an effective height of only 3m. This is probably due to effects of surrounding trees. At this distance there seems to be very little effect from daytime skywave although it is present. Look for a slow fading of the signal to detect this. I suggest for most that the ground values of 7 or 8 should give sensible field strength values. Of course if you build Dick's field strength meter or use his technique of measuring the signal on an untuned loop, you can get more exact results. Reg's web site URL http://www.btinternet.com/~g4fgq.regp/page2.html#S209 http://www.btinternet.com/~g4fgq.regp/grndwav3.exe Well it will passes the time while the static makes the band unpleasant to listen to. It seems to have chased away a lot of the activity this weekend. I have only heard Bob and Tom. Cheers de Alan G3NYK Alan.Melia@btinternet.com