Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3430 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2001 23:18:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jun 2001 23:18:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 269 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2001 23:18:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 16 Jun 2001 23:18:11 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15BPEL-0005kP-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 00:11:49 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.162]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15BPEJ-0005dm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 00:11:47 +0100 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id l.118.698000 (18255) for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 19:10:29 -0400 (EDT) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <118.698000.285d4165@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 19:10:29 EDT Subject: LF: Loops and steep skywaves To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050503060601060307070707" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 72 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050503060601060307070707 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi LF-group, yesterday I put together a small receiving loop for DF, and did a check tonight on the broadband DGPS signal above 122.5 kHz from Frankfurt. I was quite surprised to find that close to the loop minimum, the sound of the noise-like modulation very much varied with the pointing angle, and the effect was similar to selective fading on shortwave. In one position about 5 degrees offset, the spectrum contained a deep null, which moved across the band and changed its depth over a few minutes. Apparently I am seeing the superposition of the (attenuated) groundwave plus a variing-delay skywave, whose polarisation has either been modified by Faraday rotation along the path or by a horizontal current-component in the transmitting antenna. This observation brings up another thought: Has someone tried to measure skywave reflection on LF at near-vertical incidence? Difficulties could be expected in separating the skywave from the well-propagating groundwave, and sub-millisecond time resolution will be ineffective with a narrowband amateur signal. LORAN could possibly provide that, but their Marconi antennas are useless here due to their zenith null. However, transmitting with a magnetic loop over ground will produce vertical skywave and groundwave radiation with equal efficiency. For example, Walter (DJ2LF) has successfully operated a large rotatable tx-loop in his garden two years ago. The attached graph lines out a proposed experiment to measure skywave phase and amplitude at steep incidence: The transmitting station orients its loop close to the ground-wave minimum, e.g. 5 deg offset would provide 21 dB reduction. The receiver, say 20 km away, operates two antennas, - a magnetic antenna, precisely nulled to the groundwave, but almost maximally sensitive to the (unrotated) skywave polarization (cos 5° = 0.996), - a vertical electrical antenna which picks up the weak groundwave as a phase reference. If needed, it may be decoupled from the loop using a high-impedance rx input. With a skywave path on the order of 200 km, both components will have comparable fieldstrength. Amplitude and differential-doppler measurements over several hours should show the reflectivity and changing altitude of the D-layer. If both stations can share a common clock (eg TV stn, VHF link), the groundwave reference would be expandable, and the TX loop could also be directed towards the minimum, providing further isolation. 73 Markus, DF6NM --------------050503060601060307070707 Content-Type: image/gif; name="SKYWAVE.GIF" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="SKYWAVE.GIF" R0lGODdhQAGgALMAAAAAAL8AAAC/AL+/AAAAv78AvwC/v8DAwICAgP8AAAD/AP//AAAA//8A /wD//////ywAAAAAQAGgAAAE/vDJSau9OOvNu/9gKI5kaZ5oqq5s675wLGtADUx2Ldk7dd++ mXBILBqPJeADqOz1dE8lFEmtWq9YUfNXaS6/3+k0Sy6bz7LtkreGcsNwL3pOr9svaq8UzO2D 74CBglh5XTh8cXCDi4yNMHt/TopriJGOl5iZHTmHXW5BTJIeOWwzcoykGKeaPqknq6ydR5CC ahawsXqxaVS0gbqGu3jBwi6FbYdjpT9MezzLYpZWwEG30ZLL0tPEpcg40ZDZuHRboU6ff807 5ubpnWOExLKy7fXrZ8Dh7/vO7+Pk1YLp47bPHTZRWajNu5WMHsKErgzKGfhmYCNb69Cluybx YEaN/mR0sTnF6cm3kWh8uZpYMlQzlI4wWpzosRItmmYUPrxpMGAZmQzlnavkcxFQSh2HerS3 FF/RnffmWfwZcGbTmu1Q+dTB1FtPduoyLiRU0lrLNwizOa2qrC3Pk2OLyc05t67du0Lx6t0b 8x/fv4ADCx5MuLDhw4gTK17MuLHjx5AjS55MubLly5gza97MubPnz6BDix5NuvSsYR/8xjXN OglqGiRUt569Qaeq2LRzu2brDKZXr7J1C3e4lKlVbcOTv37LHDZy5dAbntQ4dfrD6NgnSWtO 8Hl25dS6Go8a/HtrljfrtSVqvr379/Djy59Pv779+/hrwyqfP3u3b/0F/ggPUgH2t55n/BWY hBQJMtaggiNw1WACiz0IoRYDfkChYiS5lYyF9pUVQgIbJoYTUWGBCB8pLAZHIgUkxvgiByVm cuJ41ynY4o7/XUBhjTVqmEtQKNb01wFIJqnkARfB42SGE8T4AJAjBHnJjVd5V8ySXHKpCZQZ bPgjjB1IKUGJYkZZC5HGZVVXl3DCeWWCaUYp44xknqnnlGruCQiLYsEVBV5xFionKnT6yecG Vo5JppVzqQiIoZR6aRR/aObJKJ5mqgmpXJLWUemolv6CaZ+K0rgnlZ8WE+ocpMaqZC2n+qjq qqm2GqCsvCJp6ohh3glpp5miiomIfPWqbF26/rLQ7J8R7aXstHI9u4K1dgCa7LTUCoPtCXjO GS2h3C67y7cmaqtXudyei5m65LLbrSboIgbvXfK2S++7976Zr76Y1HtYi9L+O68jAg88rr8G H8xIwoURvG7DDi8CMWES40sxwBCBmSpl/c61McdXhGxsZSZvObK5Hfd4Msgpb8BABTPTsTLL ZCGr6Qk1T9CzBj+burAHQQf9gNFIjMoAAzcvGdLQH5NQdAdIZws11TRbULURsS69dNNP6xy1 1FlzsDU5V5tdts9LS9Dz2S4o6/XIYbu8aApTa9222z7z7fdPMcvstddaUzAz3HFzO7ihTJNa d4YXXzA44WvXbHnf/n/LQMDmBOiXtsxrY8434i38OzecjVf6+CmRF264669PTTq4CXBue+dm 2U106JkfnXTDpy/5NaWrW8D5CnnTvPfRy48uxIy33/6R7li/HvrhR6y8uJKpx1l8BbjbzjPv ZV/e9+wldDpB9JtnvMHx1osuP/ZcN31A8N13GcKrreiMOwXiE0HyRGe+AcJAfcbjXOAACL/e GW1vb6uf/ZA0uULt7wX9+t8FAlg9+bEtgplDX/q+xSIOZkB6i5ggl4JXqlFgcGEa1IAJT6gC EZIgXDQoIftOOMM7qJCCw7MgCDpUjt7gAYYi6CEDUWBDESAwAxJjXwMZuLkUNo2FQhwi/puK sxMklkCJD4ghCJp3QBxCcWhSrOL6pujDm+WPeBfsznH61yMxkmCGdjSDGVURuDR2Doxo+OGo tLDFpGzHiywIoBrR8EQ+fo6KfpyUIOGoRTkW5JD+0xwgjcCpPR5RbB3wYx7LMMksVrIqXMRk HV2AwjCOsgidTM0jObBDO5TSexg6SxE/9MlVrmCRdIjlJhbIQylK8pazMgIuMiiYGSFwj+6T oSiB2UZkJuk0Z8xkYJzZSWjOUgJpxASv8vdGSs0NCctE5F+4aadGEhOcr2zEOIUnq8YxLSXq 5MuLzCQjR4LySF2jZ0Dvh7YMxXMuwrpTNv8JUKUJlHv3A6I9/r/WRCJA6aDVSqgnp8e/S3Rt cm8cXursSUFHYDSjCs3hNydWKXKuMEkjpSCTKoqFkxZDWByIpmEcCtGHVpCgvmuETb3Vz5yu dFuMeyhMlyq83gliqOfaaO48RhhzKlWmWI1oUGl6BajGopG9pF5hktrTst7va37jqhX+59VL gHWqVN2pwTKhwfABRqqeYGhi/sUKtoIzMu88TLl24dcwSkavjpGVXArbVsDENTKGuotdG3sh 6EyWd2olW2Ub80fDxs+pQsjsZhfrStiBdgaiHa0w/ihGA7qNfrBdHggP97O2pVa1hKUm8ybn Ogiab6uYg2Bab4vbvurWtbMl4N9+/svc4i7GjsgNrnKDCty0etC5hYEu+ZK73O5St7kuSCh2 GxFd5nm3uugFbwue1brxysC15v3tbg1HORDulrg7w0B73UsG/M6gWfx8GX/nYN9AiLcCrBqw ICg3CPY+SsGzcXB+IUwaCetpvxR2jIX5hOEMM+bAMKrT3TxM4hKb+MQoTrGKV8ziFrv4xTCO sYxnXIUBBRYi+2NJjq3Ri47e4bHK1LFRoiJLHg9RyLPwsdUwuCAj06rJj1CyUUMD5CM62cpu KSKDDoSUsuyIQF6GhpElREcik/kjAMqydXJHHmhwxA0jYRCaewmgLjOjzGiGMzLUfA84V9kT VzaLnclT/mcby1nPYE6ROuRMoEKfWc+QRrSfB00JRDu60neec5w3kmhKt6LNbc60pBn9jEcr WtQPMrTORk3kNoQF0KzutKfxbGhQN5rSsY71pfuHZ0z3+cyaRnWrbe3qXes614q29Z8BzWw+ hlrMlv60nzetbB1Hu9rDRvZZiM1RNhf7130Ow6EX/ZIewetA07Y0sruN61Qj2cqzxrZYTO1k Xcv70+1mtr3vPexP+vrfnNj2oK/d7F7vW9br1verMRRohcub4IHK98OFfWuJR/rXybY4xS8N 7G6UmtRb3jW+ta1xY2c84RFaSTrN7HGBC3rNje64mwl+bGr/+9ueDnOGBD7pLjrHXOe9zivI wQ1zMZx8y0PvN43zuuSlX+rHUnZ6CxBbsqhL/epYz7rWt06aCAAAOw== --------------050503060601060307070707--