Return-Path: Received: (qmail 344 invoked from network); 9 May 2001 14:08:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by 10.226.25.101 with SMTP; 9 May 2001 14:08:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 3198 invoked from network); 9 May 2001 13:54:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 9 May 2001 13:54:33 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14xUIc-0005e3-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 May 2001 14:46:42 +0100 X-Priority: 3 Received: from bob.dera.gov.uk ([192.5.29.90]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14xUIX-0005dy-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 May 2001 14:46:37 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: by bob.dera.gov.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id OAA06062; Wed, 9 May 2001 14:50:03 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 30809 invoked from network); 9 May 2001 14:38:05 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk (172.16.9.10) by baton.dera.gov.uk with SMTP; 9 May 2001 14:38:05 -0000 Received: by gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk; id OAA19850; Wed, 9 May 2001 14:33:34 GMT Received: from unknown(10.71.64.31) by gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk via smap (3.2) id xma019748; Wed, 9 May 01 14:33:14 GMT Received: from frn-gold-1.dera.gov.uk (unverified) by mailguard.dera.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 14:51:36 +0100 Received: by frn-gold-1.dera.gov.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 9 May 2001 14:43:56 +0100 Message-ID: <65AECDF1F89AD411900400508BFC869F9C0491@pdw-mail-1.dera.gov.uk> From: "Talbot Andrew" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: Antenna Current Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 14:43:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: > > > If the voltage on the output of the coil is higher than that on the input then > > (for constant power) the current must be less. > > Nick > > G4WHO > > Ah. This is one of the great mysteries of loading coils that > has always baffled > me. Does anyone have a good explanation? > > Mike, G3XDV (IO91VT) Are we in a Monty Python farce here ? Are you being serious ? Nick are you trying to wind us up (and are you coming to the Forum on Sunday week just up the road) ? Hopefully you're just being convoluted :-) Several amps of RF current through a (perfect lossless) coil of a specified reactance gives a voltage across the coil that is 90 degrees Out Of Phase with the current through it. 90 degrees phase shift equals no power. For a properly tuned antenna system the reactance of the coil equals that of the antenna capacitance in series with it, and hence reactances cancel, giving purely the resistive losses in the rest of the system. The network is defined from input terminal, through loading coil, through antenna capacitance to gound. No power has been dissipated yet. eg. 270pF antenna capacitance at 137kHz = 5000 ohms reactance. This reactance is tuned out with 5mH inductance. For an antenna current of 2.5A passing though this combination a voltage of 2.5 A * 5000 ohms = 7500 V appears at the top end. For a real system take losses and resistance into account: Loss resistance of coil - say 15 ohms Ground resistance 85 ohms (includes proximity effects, but we'll keep it simple and just call it ground) Antenna radiation resistance 0.004 ohms Total resistance is the sum of these ie 100.004 ohms (just call it 100 !) which appear in series with the L/C combination Total power dissipated = 2.5^2 * 100 = 625 Watts And purely for interest, power radiated is that in just the radiation resistance = 2.5^2 * 0.004 = 0.025W Also, antenna efficiency = Radiation resistance / total resistance = 0.004 / 100 = 0.004% = -44dB And also, to complete the antenna analysis : Q = Reactance / Resistance = 5000 / 100 = 50 So, approximate bandwidth of the antenna is F / Q = 137000 / 50 = 2.74kHz All simple, basic, RAE level calculations and by measuing just a few values the essential parameters of any antenna system can be easily determined. The above figures correspond quite closely to my antenna in dry weather. The ERP IS about 20mW, the bandwidth IS about 2.5kHz, the other values measure as above. --------------- I also suggest that the different current measured at each end of a loading coil, as mentioned in an earlier posting, could quite easily be due to the slight mistuning when the extra hardware associated with the ammeter is connected in circuit on the top side. To illustrate this, just try touching the antenna connection with (very, very, very, very well insulated) screwdriver and see what happens to Antenna current - in a switching PA this will directly be related to PA current which is much easier to measure. An extra stray capacitance of an estimated 2pF on my antenna will detune the system by 500 Hz which is enough to shift current by a few percent. To properly measure the two currents, you should use two (identical) meters connected in circuit simultaneously. Those fortunate to have larger antennas, with say 500pF or more will have lower Qs, larger bandwidths, lower voltages, less proximity effect, smaller coils and less fun getting the antenna to work. Andy G4JNT -- The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful.