Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23025 invoked from network); 3 May 2001 00:44:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 3 May 2001 00:44:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 7972 invoked from network); 3 May 2001 00:44:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 3 May 2001 00:44:20 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14v78C-0006PY-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 May 2001 01:38:08 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from jubilee.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.1.6] helo=mail-ns00s0.ns.sympatico.ca) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14v78A-0006PT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 May 2001 01:38:06 +0100 Received: from ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.88.54]) by mail-ns00s0.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 21:36:54 -0300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <3AF0E14F.F98BD29@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 00:40:47 -0400 From: "John Currie" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: more Wolf tests References: <3AEFD6C6.26493.1590F2@localhost> <3AEFEEDB.6845.73A06A@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Mike I inadvertantly deleted your last comments on WOLF could you please resend 73 de John VE1ZJ Mike Dennison wrote: > ON7YD wrote: > > While WOLF is in an 'experimental stage' the carrier can be usefull for > > tuning purposes. But if you can detect a 2 or 3 second carrier, a DFCW QSO > > won't take more time than a WOLF QSO. So why make a simple thing difficult ? > > But wasn't it the (cl)aim that WOLF would be superior to primitive modes > > such as QRSS and DFCW ? If I remember well WOLF was given a 10dB credit > > over QRSS at 10 sec./dot, so assuming you want to copy a WOLF signal that > > is just 'at the edge' a 100 sec. carrier would be needed to make it visible with > > spectrogram-like software. > > Hmmm. I was originally suspicious of that figure, and have seen nothing yet > that supports it. I am not aware of any amateur radio WOLF reception so far > that would not have been viable using QRSS, but the technique is at an early > stage. > > I am still keen on WOLF on the promise that it can produce results from a > relatively short peak in conditions, whilst QRSS/DFCW needs a longer period > of enhancement. The really big peaks - the ones that would allow you, for > instance, to get through - last only a few minutes. Even if it is no better than 3s > dot DFCW, it may be an improvement in terms of time. This time factor was > identified this winter as the greatest barrier to regular two-way transcontinental > QSOs. > > Also, I am not suggesting that the carrier should provide anything readable, > merely showing that a signal is there. This could be well down on an 'M' > QRS/DFCW transmission. > > I remain skeptical but fascinated. > > Mike, G3XDV (IO91VT) > http://www.lf.thersgb.net