Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20750 invoked from network); 2 May 2001 10:50:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by 10.226.25.101 with SMTP; 2 May 2001 10:50:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 5736 invoked from network); 2 May 2001 10:49:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 2 May 2001 10:49:55 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14utw0-0008SW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 May 2001 11:32:40 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from [213.2.16.106] (helo=rsgb.org.uk) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14utvy-0008SR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 May 2001 11:32:38 +0100 Received: from miked by rsgb.org.uk with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.8.7.5.R) for ; Wed, 02 May 2001 11:26:22 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 11:26:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: LF: Re: more Wolf tests Message-ID: <3AEFEEDB.6845.73A06A@localhost> In-reply-to: <3.0.1.16.20010502104150.2dc7f9ec@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> References: <3AEFD6C6.26493.1590F2@localhost> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Return-Path: miked@mail Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: ON7YD wrote: > While WOLF is in an 'experimental stage' the carrier can be usefull for > tuning purposes. But if you can detect a 2 or 3 second carrier, a DFCW QSO > won't take more time than a WOLF QSO. So why make a simple thing difficult ? > But wasn't it the (cl)aim that WOLF would be superior to primitive modes > such as QRSS and DFCW ? If I remember well WOLF was given a 10dB credit > over QRSS at 10 sec./dot, so assuming you want to copy a WOLF signal that > is just 'at the edge' a 100 sec. carrier would be needed to make it visible with > spectrogram-like software. Hmmm. I was originally suspicious of that figure, and have seen nothing yet that supports it. I am not aware of any amateur radio WOLF reception so far that would not have been viable using QRSS, but the technique is at an early stage. I am still keen on WOLF on the promise that it can produce results from a relatively short peak in conditions, whilst QRSS/DFCW needs a longer period of enhancement. The really big peaks - the ones that would allow you, for instance, to get through - last only a few minutes. Even if it is no better than 3s dot DFCW, it may be an improvement in terms of time. This time factor was identified this winter as the greatest barrier to regular two-way transcontinental QSOs. Also, I am not suggesting that the carrier should provide anything readable, merely showing that a signal is there. This could be well down on an 'M' QRS/DFCW transmission. I remain skeptical but fascinated. Mike, G3XDV (IO91VT) http://www.lf.thersgb.net