Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5386 invoked from network); 1 May 2001 20:43:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 1 May 2001 20:43:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 21841 invoked from network); 1 May 2001 20:43:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 1 May 2001 20:43:23 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14ugt5-00023Z-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 May 2001 21:36:47 +0100 Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([203.96.92.13]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14ugt0-00023S-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 May 2001 21:36:44 +0100 Received: from xtr743187 ([202.27.181.178]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20010501203529.ZHZL1929283.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr743187> for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 08:35:29 +1200 Message-ID: <002f01c0d27e$7fc1e660$b2b51bca@xtr743187> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <65AECDF1F89AD411900400508BFC869F9C047B@pdw-mail-1.dera.gov.uk> Subject: LF: Re: RE: Wolf coding Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 08:35:45 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Andy and others, > re Jim's comments : > > > > > I have been thinking along similar > > lines for somewhat different reasons. I don't claim to have > > expertise in this field, but suppose the data rate of Wolf was > > reduced by a factor of 10, ie, to 1 bit per second. What would be > > the effects? > > > I was not proposing just slowing Wolf down, I was arguing the merits of > using Uncoded BPSK for the same performance (a-la VE2IQ & Coherent) but > at 1 b/s - this would give a few extra dB capability immediately. With > Wolf coding as well, this could give 10 dB extra but at 16 minutes for a > 15 character message. I suggest that there are also middle options. At LF there are "lightning pops" and some forms of QRM that are that are "bursty", and either could thwart successful decoding of a few parts of a message, but inbetween noise bursts the RF S/N conditions could be satisfactory for reception. So having some redundancy is desirable, especially for a text messaging system. The question is in the selection of the degree of coding overhead. I do not have a suggestion as to where the optimum answer lies. 73, Bob ZL2CA