Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15999 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2001 10:27:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 18 Apr 2001 10:27:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 16742 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2001 10:27:18 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 18 Apr 2001 10:27:18 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14pp5x-0002iT-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:21:57 +0100 Received: from mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.6]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14pp5t-0002iO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:21:54 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA1083562 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:21:22 +0200 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20010418112245.218f3f10@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> X-Sender: pb623250@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:22:45 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: WOLF test results, soundcard trouble In-reply-to: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >The true sample rates of the soundcard were then measured by other means, >they were: > >8002.87 samples / second for the DAC (used to transmit) >7938.09 samples / second for the ADC (used to receive) One shouldn't expect too much accuracy from the soundcard ADC's. Errors up to 1% in the sampling rate won't effect their use for games etc... so why should the manufacturer make them more accurate (and expensive). I wonder if someone ever tested the linearity, the error will be likely in the same range. If we want to go more accurate we either have to calibrate each soundcard individualy (and hope that there isn't too much drifting) or go to another device. A good 16 bit ADC with 'no missing code' and a max. sample rate of 10kHz and up costs no more than a few $, even high quality 18 or 20 bit ADC's are available for 10$ or less. So the hardware isn't a real problem. Question is how to get the data from this ADC into the computer ? One way would be to make a plug-in card, but that would : - require us to open the PC and plug in a card - require to convince windows that the card is there - rule out most portable PC's Another way is tranfer the data via a port into the PC. Most suitable are either the serial port or the USB port. Advantage of the serial port is that also the older PC's have it, disadvantage is the maximum baudrate of 115kB/s (would mean a max. sample rate of +/-5.5kHz). The USB port can transfer many MB/s, but isn't available in older PC's. A well designed external ADC board could solve many of the problems that occur with the soundcard and shouldn't be too expensive. The first question is : is there a 'market' for such a device A second question : if there is a 'market', are the software developers willing to adapt their software for such a device. 73, Rik ON7YD