Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13869 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2001 14:45:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Apr 2001 14:45:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 1619 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2001 14:45:45 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 11 Apr 2001 14:45:45 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14nLgc-00014a-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:33:34 +0100 Received: from mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.6]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14nLgY-00014V-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:33:30 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA253484 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:33:04 +0200 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20010411153434.219f812a@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> X-Sender: pb623250@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:34:34 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: wolf In-reply-to: <3AD4C8FB.94F65F10@ns.sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hello John, In fact Valerio's signal looks rather clean for BPSK, so I guess that he did a similar thing as Jim and 'cleaned up' the output spectrum by AM envelopping the signal. Real BPSK (hard phase switching) has a much wider bandwidth, Jim (M0BMU) has a nice picture this. I am sure that one 1 W ERP real BPSK signal can cause enough QRM to make weak signal reception impossible for any other station in a 1000km range. For sure the sitation in Europe is very different from the US lowfer scene. In Europe we have over 100 stations active on 2.1kHz wide band (I believe the south UK there are over a dozen stations in a 100 by 100km square). Any of this stations can run up to 1W ERP if he (she) wants. In the US (lowfer) the band is 35kHz wide and stations are limited to 1W input and 15m wire as antenna, so unless you live in a salt water swamp the ERP will be no more than a few mW. 73, Rik ON7YD At 14:13 11/04/01 -0700, you wrote: >Hi all, I saw the spectrum plot Alberto provided of Valerio's wolf >transmission. What an ugly sight. It takes between 15 and 20 Hz of >specytum space. > With 30 sec dots I can receive and separate a station every 250 >millihertz. In other words In the space of one wolf transmission 60 to >80 QRSS stations could be trying to have QSOs. I do not doubt the fact >that the wolf experiments are worthwhile from a testing of technology >point of view. I feel, however, that wolf as currently configured is >not a worthwhile mode for general amateur operation in the small 136kHz >band. I especially resent the attitude of VA3LK that he would transmit >regardless of potential QRM to others as stated in one of his emails. > Current transmissions above 137.5 kHz will not cause much >trouble. As interest in the band grows and more countries get on the >band, We will have to very carefully choose modes of operation which >provide the best combination of bandwidth consumed compared with >communication efficiency, coupled with ease of use. So far I vote for >DFCW and QRSS. I looked last night but saw nil. > 73 de John VE1ZJ > > >