Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4520 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2001 10:03:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 9 Apr 2001 10:03:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 18853 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2001 10:03:41 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 9 Apr 2001 10:03:41 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14mYL1-0007Kk-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 10:51:59 +0100 Received: from mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.10.6]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14mYKv-0007Iv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2001 10:51:54 +0100 Received: from LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be (LCBD15.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.80.15]) by mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA497474 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:51:27 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20010409105259.2dcf3d4e@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> X-Sender: pb623250@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 10:52:59 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Rik Strobbe" Subject: Re: LF: LF Antennas In-reply-to: <3AD184E8.16011.1431BD@localhost> References: <200104080615_MC2-CBA7-9063@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 09:46 9/04/01 +0100, you wrote: > >> If you load it with ferrite you will certainly increase its inductance and >> also its efficacy as a receiving antenna but the radiation efficiency on >> tx will decrease accordingly (the difference between B and H). >> 73, > >Roger, > >If it is less efficient, where does the lost power go? I am puzzled. Hello Mike, I'm using a loading coil with ferrite rod for 'fine tuning' the antenna (I can slide the rod in/out the coil). Without rod the coil is 700uH, with the rod I can tune it from 800-1500uH. The Q is 400 without the rod and sinks to 300 (at 800uh) - 250 (at 1500uH). So the rod introduces an extra loss of 0.5 to 2 Ohms, looks quite acceptable to me (compared to the +/- 120 Ohm overall loss it is less than 0.1dB). But the choise of rod is very important, I tried all (+/- 20) rods I had in my possesion and found only one that was good. With most other rods the Q of the coils 'crashed' to below 150 and I even managed to break a rod (by heating) with 200W RF power. With the right rod it works fine, at least for a rather small coil. But I believe that you want to make a +/- 4mH coil. So assuming you can make a 2mH coil with a Q of 400 and you find the right rod you can make a 4mH coil with a Q of 250. This would respresent a loss resistance of 13 Ohm (versus 7 Ohm for a similar coil with a Q of 400). Regarding 'where goes the power' : a bit will be dissipated by the rod (it will heat). 73, Rik ON7YD