Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22226 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2001 18:32:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 11 Apr 2001 18:32:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 13392 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2001 18:31:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 11 Apr 2001 18:31:58 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14nPIa-0002Wl-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:25:00 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14nPIX-0002Wg-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:24:57 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [147.197.200.44] (helo=gemini) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #4) id 14nPI7-00000I-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:24:31 +0100 Message-ID: <2565.200104111824@gemini> From: "James Moritz" Organization: University of Hertfordshire To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:24:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: LF: Bandwidths/Modes X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, Regarding the bandwidth occupied by BPSK - John, KD4IDY has kindly posted the spectra I obtained recently for various types of BPSK and phase modulation on the LWCA web site at http://lwca.org/miscimg/phasespectra.jpg. The top 3 spectra in the left hand column are relevant to the current discussion, showing "raw" and envelope-shaped BPSK sigs, with 12wpm CW for comparison. The vertical scale is 10dB/div, the horizontal span 400Hz. It is clearly true that the "raw" signal is undesirably wide, but the fully-engineered signal fits into a sensible bandwidth, which is why I went to all that trouble! I agree that the bandwidth occupied by the current "Wolf" mode signals would become a problem if more than a handful of people tried to use the mode with the current band-plan. However, this mode is in the experimental stage at the moment, so that could change, and the "digital" band segment is not exactly busy at the moment. The main point of doing it is to try a different technique for improving detection of weak signals. There seems to have been few attempts by amateurs to utilise sophisticated coding techniques in this way. It is pretty clear that with the longer dot periods, the slow speed of QRSS is a real obstacle to 2 way communications, and so anything that improves on this is worth considering. The results achieved so far seem encouraging. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU