Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25874 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2001 10:01:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Apr 2001 10:01:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 23585 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2001 10:00:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 26 Apr 2001 10:00:59 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14siTX-0007Mw-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:54:15 +0100 Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.111]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14siTT-0007Mr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:54:11 +0100 Received: from [213.122.218.245] (helo=default) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.03 #83) id 14siT0-0000qg-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:53:42 +0100 Message-ID: <000201c0ce36$5d5ff720$f5da7ad5@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Subject: LF: RX Loops and wires Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 00:30:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi All, Bernt mentioned about coupling between an RX loop and a wire aerial loading coil. I believe it does not have to be the loading coil and an inverted 'L' ,for instance, can act as a one turn coupling loop, coupling signal into a small multiturn loop, even with the loading coil orthoganal to the RX loop. I have not tried turning the loop at right angles to the plane of the 'L' though. Disconnecting the wire from ground, or the Rx, returns the normal response of the loop. One question (am I being silly ??) but if you match a loop by tapping the feeder into it, or using a coupling loop, are you not loosing 3dB of the signal? I suppose this only matters if you don't have more aerial noise than the front end in the RX. I use a similar preamp to Tony, but a single ended one, that puts the FET gate directly across the tuned loop with no bias resistors. Then the coax is fed from an emitter follower. Although the gain on mine is too much I do get a useful advantage on very weak signals. This is probably because the Q is relatively low ( around 50) because of the thin multipath telephone cable used. On the noise front, I find I can detect a 10nV (in normal band noise, but with local QRM off) in the 0.3Hz bandwidth of Spectrogram. I do not have a stable enough source to measure this in the bandwidths that John and Laurie are using with Argo. I now have a DDS source to play with, so that may change. Cheers de Alan G3NYK Alan.Melia@btinternet.com