Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15609 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 10:01:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 10:01:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 221 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 10:00:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 10:00:59 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14gOFt-0004Vo-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:53:13 +0000 Received: from bob.dera.gov.uk ([192.5.29.90]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14gOFq-0004Vi-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:53:10 +0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: by bob.dera.gov.uk; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id JAA22478; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:55:37 GMT Received: (qmail 21824 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 10:43:59 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk (172.16.9.10) by baton.dera.gov.uk with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 10:43:59 -0000 Received: by gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk; id KAA14939; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:30:33 GMT Received: from unknown(10.71.64.31) by gauntlet.mail.dera.gov.uk via smap (3.2) id xma014842; Fri, 23 Mar 01 10:30:01 GMT Received: from FRN-MAIL-3.dera.gov.uk (unverified) by mailguard.dera.gov.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:57:54 +0000 Received: by frn-mail-3.dera.gov.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:52:03 -0000 Message-ID: <65AECDF1F89AD411900400508BFC869F9C03FA@pdw-mail-1.dera.gov.uk> From: "Talbot Andrew" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: WOLF (BPSK) modulation continuous ph ase modulation. Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:52:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: I modelled this, generating ET2 Coherent waveforms with gradual phase transitions and stored as .WAV files, then played back into the Coherent decoder. With a Raised Cosine phase transition slope and the ability to adjust the amount of this from practically no slope to a full envelopes worth of phase transition, decoding results looked quite encouraging - the bandwidth was reduced considerably and decoding of good signals worked 100%. Never got the opportunity to test in QRM apart from some simple tests adding to off air received noise. Other tasks got in the way so never perused this much further, but the major task putting me off was to work out a way of continuously phase modulating a transmitter over a full 360 degree range. This looked at first sight even more difficult than amplitude modulating - had already made a PWM modulator, although not big enough for the Decca transmitters, published in the lastest LF Experimenters book. Andy G4JNT > -----Original Message----- > From: Rik Strobbe [mailto:rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.ac.be] > Sent: 2001-03-23 09:55 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: WOLF (BPSK) modulation > > > Hello Mike & group, > > With Mike's suggestion to cut the signal for a short time > during the phase > tranisitions the cure might be worse than the illness : > WOLF is (currently) used at 10BPS, so you would need to cut the signal > (worst case) 10 times a second for a short time (few > milliseconds). This > will create a lot of sidebands, the signal might be worse > than with 'rude > BPSK'. > > Jim's signal is remarkable clean, as could be expected from a PSK-like > signal. The 2 'disadvantages' (in my opinion) are : > - 'high power' electronics involved > - giving away 3dB (by the envelope AM), versus 'rude BPSK' > > An alternative way to get a 'clean' signal might be to have a > smooth phase > transition. Instead of a 180 degrees instant phase jump one > could have a > gradual phase change, let's say over 10 milliseconds. At > 10BPS this would > leave the signal for 90% of the time in the 'correct phase'. > Advantages would be : > - additional electronics would be at the 'low power end' > - any PA (wether linear or not) could be used without any changes > - signals would be only 0.54dB down versus 'rude BPSK' > > Depending on the amount of sidebands that is acceptable the transision > period could be changed. A shorter transisition period would > give a better > SNR, but more sidebands while a longer transistion period would give a > cleaner signal but less SNR. > > There would be different ways to implement the smooth phase > shifting, going > from the classic phase modulator to digital techniques. > > But before I start any project in that direction I would like > the opinion > of the experts, maybe I have just overseen some facts that > make my whole > suggestion worthless ... > > 73, Rik ON7YD > -- The Information contained in this E-Mail and any subsequent correspondence is private and is intended solely for the intended recipient(s). For those other than the recipient any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on such information is prohibited and may be unlawful.